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I was asked to catalog the Canadian Price variants for the Whitman books published in 1984. Funny thing about these, they were never sold on newsstands, only bagged sets. I’ll post all the pics in the next few posts. 

39 minutes ago, Avi said:

Can the previews be graded? Asking for a friend...

Yes

1 minute ago, Lazyboy said:

Nor are commercials/trailers.

Who collects commercials and trailers and how does this apply to printed media? I agree it's a fringe area, but then again someone paid 3000 for a 9.8 previews that had Miles Morales on the cover. There is no logic to what people are losing their minds over. 

2 minutes ago, littledoom said:

agreed.. billboards aren't the first appearance of a movie.. 

Not quite the same format, but ok. Better tell all those people driving up the price on Thor 229.

14 minutes ago, IbukiLord said:

Thor #2 came out in January 2020 and Strange Academy came out in March so surely the first appearance of those characters is in Thor #2?

 

Both are selling really well. 

It was also in a bunch of other titles that month. I saw someone say that those didn't count as a first appearance as it was a preview/pre-print. (I think people are just making up these terms now) To me, those 9 pages of the first issue preview counts as their first appearance. Most won't agree saying its not like FOOM or Marvel Age, or....It only maters when people want it to matter. ( because they own 10 copies) Thor 2 however fires on all cylinders. The preview was also part of the second and third print for Thor. Will those be like the other later print hysteria that's currently gripping the collecting world?

14 minutes ago, Broke as a Joke said:

Didn't Thanos 14 come out before the 3rd printing of 13 anyways?  People are desperate in this market...

You might be right about that. I’m guessing someone will reverse engineer logic as to why it’s more important. Modern collecting man, it will drive you to drink

What is happening? This is a freebie! Saw a shop on the weekend that had one priced at 40.00 CAD 

So this preview is a thing but the previews for Strange Academy aren't? I'm so confused.

4 minutes ago, fastballspecial said:

Anymore I just ride the wave of stupidity. 

Eventually it will crest, but on the way I might as well make some money. 

 

Nothing wrong with that. I'll sell a book in the rise and buy it back on the crash.
 

2 minutes ago, kairos70 said:

One pumper and dumper doesn't make it so.  Most savy collectors can tell carnival barking when they see it.

I agree....then I see Venom 3 3rd print selling for 800 bucks

It's the state of collecting these days. Insanity. Saw that pop up on FB yesterday. It's the modern day equivalent of magic beans.

2 minutes ago, kairos70 said:

Hmmm....just checked most of the current listings for Thanos #13 third printing and none of them tout the comic as the "first cover appearance". The listings state it's the first appearance of Cosmic Ghost Rider which it is. 

1 minute ago, kairos70 said:

True but the third printing is the better Cosmic Ghost Rider cover. The 2nd print cover is squarely centered on King Thanos with CGR standing beside him looking kind of lame. 3rd print ,CGR is flying in solo on his cosmic cycle with guns a blazing. No wonder it's a fan favorite.

Ah yes, the "cooler cover" argument of pump and dump. Doesn't change the fact that it's incorrectly being pushed as the first cover appearance. 

12 hours ago, followtheleader said:

Picked up Thanos 13 3rd print today for$5.   Liked the cover as I enjoy the Cosmic Ghost Rider.  Bit surprised at the price.  Seems like its been steadily rising from $25 to $45 in the past 2 weeks.

Patrick

People have been pushing it as the first cover appearance of Cosmic Ghost Rider. Problem with that is that is, he was on the second print as well.

1 minute ago, Number 6 said:

Yeah, there’s one for the Black Hole too. 
 

There might be others, but I’m not aware of them. Condorman was around the same time but I don’t think there’s one for that movie. 

That one I have

27 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

The mention on a Clash of the Titans is mentioned under the heading More $2.50 Comics Published which cites the success of the Fox and the Hound adaptation in this format as impetus to continue the line. I think that’s a reference to this book:

And it mentions the Clash adaptation in conjunction with a Flash Gordon adaptation in the same format, which I’m guessing is this book:

In that case, we did get the Clash adaptation in this book (I think there’s two different covers):

Granted, I think the Flash Gordon and Fox and the Hound books reprint material from the regular comic size adaptations, so it would have been cool to have regular comic versions of the Clash adaptation as well. But I don’t see anything in the article that they were planning on doing that. 

Neat,  I've never seen those before

14 hours ago, Warlord said:

  Awesome find of that little piece of history.  Thanks for the post.  

Paging Wally Green!  That's someone who could provide some fascinating info and stories I would bet.

17 hours ago, Brock said:

What an amazing wealth of information... thanks for posting!

And my mind boggles at the notion of a Thundarr the Barbarian comic. That series was always one of my favourites. interesting that of everything listed, I think only it and Astral Frontier were never published.

 

I would have also liked to see their Clash of the Titans adaptation that's listed at the bottom. Some of the Astral Frontier art has popped up.

From today’s dollar dive. Have tons of these already but I just love these issues 

Made some more fun finds on the weekend including a Zellers Batman promo comic which isn’t a CPV, but it was only available at Canadian department store Zellers. 

53 minutes ago, valiantman said:

Maybe it's not common.  The two "Second Print Variants" of Ultimate Fallout #4 from Marvel are clearly coded "1st Print, 3rd Cover" and "1st Print, 4th Cover" in the UPC boxes, so "going back to the presses for a reprinting" was probably not necessary when Marvel "claimed" Second Printing boldly on those covers in 2011.

What does it say in the indicia?

6 minutes ago, Corona smith said:

I truly believe UF4 is only going to keep going up. I bought a CGC 9.4 that could potentially press to a 9.6. I paid $110 back in March. I could easily triple my money at this point. I’m hanging onto until I retire. That being said I couldn’t spend a grand or more on one book. There are those that can and will certainly see a nice return when selling. 

Like all those people who bought a New Mutants 98 for 1000? If they sold today, they'd be taking a 20% hit. They might come out even in a decade, as long as all those people who bought in the peak, aren't all trying to sell at the same time.

The Star Wars reprints were all identified as reprints. All other ones were either direct or newsstands. http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/StarWars/Marvel/StarWars/001-006.html

Marvel books that were reprinted that didn’t have an indication on the cover, would have different ads inside, or a marking in the indicia. This would indicate to me that they didn’t stockpile interiors in the hopes that they might have to put out more copies to meet demand. 

11 hours ago, catch21 said:

In 2017, I was told this exact same thing when  I paid $1375 for a 9.8 UF4 variant.  Last one sold yesterday at $8950.

See how that guy feels about what he paid a year from now. FOMO purchases are great for sellers, but bad for buyers.

19 minutes ago, valiantman said:

Since comic interior pages are not necessarily printed at the same time as the covers (different paper, different machines), is there reason to believe that interiors which do not say "reprint" (or "second printing", etc.) are possibly original run interiors, even when the outer cover states "REPRINT"?  Star Wars has books with "REPRINT" on the cover and "REPRINT" on the interiors, but there are books with "REPRINT" on the cover and no indication on the interior.  

I believe there is a common industry practice today to print interior pages with significant overrun at the same time as the first printings, to be used for trade paperbacks for years, or in the event of demand, second and third printings of single issues.  The question is how early did the interior overrun process start?

Afraid not. Here is the indicia from first and second print of Thor 2. (Current series) If they were printed at the same time, in the same batch...why are they different? If books are reprints, you can tell by the indicia, info on the cover or the ads in the books. (The Thor book indicates it on the cover and the indicia)  The early direct editions, (apart from the early Star Wars reprints) have no indicating marks identifying them as reprints. This has been consistent with Marvel over the years. 

1 hour ago, Randall Dowling said:

This is not something you know.  This is something you believe.  Many have claimed this but it's not well supported from experience of the time.  These books weren't available at the same time as newsstand copies and then kept on the shelves for months.  They didn't even show up for sale until months afterward.

Actually, when I first started going to comic shops instead of picking up my books at the newsstand, multiple months of a title were available at cover price. Would those have been reprints as well? If you look at the proof that has been presented here in regards to colours used in the price boxes on some books seem to indicate that they were all done in one run, with changes made to the plates. When western printed their own books, they did packs with consecutive issues. Were all the earlier issues reprinted just for the packs? No. They were stockpiled and put into packs. In some cases they did reprint a few issues, but the ads changed to reflect the month/year they were reprinted in. That’s not the case with all the early direct editions you refer to as reprints. All marvel reprints I’ve bought over the years had different ads than the first prints.