Bomber-Bob

That was my first thought as well - how does the book grade less than either the interior or exterior cover grade? The overall grade of the book was dropped to 9.4 because of a small rust on the lower staple. So the book got a 9.4 with a 9.6 1st cover and a 9.8 inner cover. It makes a cool label. I'm not a fan of rusty staples and would like to see CGC note it on the label. That being said, I recently saw a CGC graded 9.8 Universal with rust on the staple. Of course it could have happened post slabbing but I don't think so. With that in mind, this example of a 9.6/9.8 book graded 9.4 puzzles me.

Great books !!!

Just got this today at the C2E2 convention.

Thank you. Much appreciated.

Today's haul from C2E2......

Good stuff !

Be careful of a CGC purchase with tape. You need to look up the date it was graded. If it was before CGC changed their policy on tape, the book is most certainly overgraded. As Joey just mentioned, their current policy will downgrade for the flaw the tape is masking. Previously, this was not true. I do not remember when CGC changed their policy, maybe two years ago ?

Thanks. I'm a big Sea Devils fan but without a real Super Hero they don't get much love. I'm thinking I should have bought more Sea Devils. The dealer had a nice little run from a fresh to market collection.

C2E2 Pickups from today......

Okay, it's obvious I'm not convincing anybody about this. I will rescind the nomination. Sorry.

He said he would refund the return shipping as well He initially said he would pay for the return postage but upon reflecting on the cost he changed the offer to the gratis book. I never received that book. His recent offer of a full refund upon receipt of the books does not include compensation for the return shipping.

Sean, Grantley is in the U.K. The cost of shipping far exceeds the nominal compensation I would expect. Also, based on the seller's history of disappearing, there is the risk I would simply not hear from him again. In case it got lost in the posts, I never intended to ask for anything. It's only when he stated that he passed the books along to me with the same grade he bought them at, obviously not true, that I asked for compensation. The arrangement was for me to get another book. I did not get that book. Shipping the books to the UK on my dime does not make me whole. While I do have some sympathy for the risks of shipping books and I understand you had lost confidence in the seller, my concern is with the premise of the demand for a rebate. You state clearly that in the first instance you were not seeking any compensation or correction indicating that you were reasonably if not perfectly satisfied with your books. You are pretty clear that the impelling cause of your demand for a rebate was the discovery that the grades were not the same as when the seller had first acquired the books, he had "bumped" them. My difficulty is that you were reasonably happy with the books until you knew at one point in the past they had been graded lower. Why do you presume that the earlier "original" grades are necessarily more accurate and why should that be a deciding factor in seeking compensation? Reasonable question, hopefully my answer is reasonable. I think we all have been in the situation where you purchased an overgraded book and you try and justify it in your mind that it is okay. That was my situation, I was okay, not happy with the books. The seller stated he passed along the same grades as assigned by the auction house. Finding out that he was not telling the truth, I then wanted some compensation. The grades, as assigned by the seller, were barely passable for my tastes. If I would have known the true grades, I would not have purchased them.

Sean, Grantley is in the U.K. The cost of shipping far exceeds the nominal compensation I would expect. Also, based on the seller's history of disappearing, there is the risk I would simply not hear from him again. In case it got lost in the posts, I never intended to ask for anything. It's only when he stated that he passed the books along to me with the same grade he bought them at, obviously not true, that I asked for compensation. The arrangement was for me to get another book. I did not get that book. Shipping the books to the UK on my dime does not make me whole.

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I am no longer nominating Grantley Goddard for the probation List. Details deleted out of respect for the accused. Sorry.

Understand. I don't like color rubs either. I suspect the book is otherwise pretty solid and 8.5 is the highest CGC will go on a color rub.

Get the notes and you will find out.

+1. Great pickup !

Hopefully, this is a funny story, I know I can laugh about it now. No embellishment, absolutely true. I had a 4 figure book that I submitted raw and it got a 9.2 . Years later, the book got a massage and was resubbed. It got a 9.6, however, IMO it did not look like a 9.6,I thought it looked better as a 9.2. Now here's the 'crazy' part, I sent the book back to CGC with a note saying I thought the book was overgraded and to please evaluate. Anyway, I got the book back from CGC pretty quickly, no note, just the book as is. Eventually, I sold the book and later, during the soft grading period of 2011ish, I saw it in auction as a 9.8 . I have no idea what the moral of this story is, other than I like my books tightly graded. BTW, if Jaydog reads this, the book had White pages through all 3 grade iterations !

That's the problem? Really? I get it, you don't do that and you look at those that do with disdain that they are "ruining" your hobby. I don't look at those that submit to flip with disdain. I could care less. They are not ruining the hobby for me or anyone else. I just commented on all the complaining going on here. If someone gets a 9.6 they are immediately blaming CGC, taking no responsibility themselves. I just don't believe it. CGC is grading the book in front of them, if it's not 9.8 then so be it. So you'd have no problem whatsoever with resubbing a bunch of your 9.8s and watch them come back 9.6s? Because I can pretty much guarantee you that that's what going to happen if you send in books right now. Nobody's disputing that tight grading isn't a good thing - when it veers into actual undergrading, however, it becomes just as much of a problem as when CGC is being too loose. Michael, greetings. Historically, I have been critical of CGC's grading, especially during the shrinkage and spine realignment discussions. I have always been told, sometimes by you, that CGC is grading the book in front of them. They don't know the history of the book, what it was previously graded, etc. How is your situation any different? You are resubbing your 9.8's for SS. CGC doesn't know what the previous grade was. While I am not resubbing, just straight new submissions, personally I don't have a problem and I don't consider myself to be a spot on grader. If I miss something, they seem to be catching it. I think this is a good thing. Sorry to disappoint.

The customers buying the slabs are driving the submissions. If the product did not have any market value, there would be no submissions. The better the product, the better the sales, higher prices, more submissions. Show me a dealer that would still submit if he had no customers. It behooves CGC to produce a quality product.

Okay Mr FacePalm, from what University do you have your Business Degree from ? You honestly don't believe that the customers that ultimately purchase the product don't matter to the success of a company, any company ?

That's the problem? Really? I get it, you don't do that and you look at those that do with disdain that they are "ruining" your hobby. I don't look at those that submit to flip with disdain. I could care less. They are not ruining the hobby for me or anyone else. I just commented on all the complaining going on here. If someone gets a 9.6 they are immediately blaming CGC, taking no responsibility themselves. I just don't believe it. CGC is grading the book in front of them, if it's not 9.8 then so be it.

Everyone was complaining about TAT's. CGC hires more staff, improves the TAT, and now there are complaints about the grading, suggesting it may be the new graders. Maybe CGC should just skip the grading and just encapsulate all books as 9.8 . Problem solved. The problem here is most are submitting books to flip, counting on the 9.8 for the bottom line. I believe CGC's long term success depends on the collectors that purchases their product, not the people that submit. I trust they understand that. Keep grading tight CGC !