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9.2 - No Notes. Everyone was dead on.

Cleaned up nice.

Disappointed with grade 6.0 Comic Description: Superman 147 8/61 D.C. Comics Grader Notes: light staining to cover multiple crease right bottom of front cover breaks color very light foxing front cover very small tear left top of spine

Exactly. Well stated.

OK, OK. ONE guy got it right on.

If that is the case (<50%) then are you saying then that all reputable pressers just show you the few cracked and pressed books on their websites that got higher grades just to get your business? That’s a pretty jaded attitude and I would hope that professional and respected pressers show the improvements from cracked books to demonstrate that it IS worth pressing an unpressed slabbed book. Is it possible to get a lower grade? Absolutely but I believe the benefits outweigh the risks in most cases else reliable pressers would not show their work.

7.5! Better than expected. Thank you @joeypost Great job!

3.5! You guys were spot on. Was hoping C&P might get it to a 4.0 but 3.5 is fair. Thanks @joeypost

I agree but if the TAT for Unlimited is 2 days and 10 days for High Value why would Moderns (with a TAT of 20) get done and shipped in 4 business days and the Unlimited still there after 5. Not that I'm complaining that the Moderns have shipped and I know the times are estimates, just curious.

I'm wondering if CGC places their best graders (less of them) on the higher tier books and they're less experienced (more of them) on moderns. Recently I submitted books for all tiers with the Unlimited value, Express tier (discontinued under new system) and Vintage all listed as arriving a day before the Moderns yet the Moderns got shipped to me before any of the others and the Unlimited value book is still sitting there a week later (same with the Express books). To add insult to injury, all books were C&P by one of the best pressers in the biz and should have graded a 9.2 or better but one came back at 8.5 with only one grader note "creasing to cover." No way it would be sent that way from this presser so I have to assume it occurred at CGC before being graded.

@zzutak I am one of those people and that is why I started this thread in the first place! However, I am constantly getting mixed messages from posters. As I stated previously, I've read zzutak's "An In-Depth Comparison of Green Label and Blue Label Grading" months ago which I thought was excellent. Well done. It implied or I assumed (rightly or wrongly) from it that ALL books with these Category 1 thru 7 defects would (or should) automatically receive a Green label since it was “identifying specific defects that have led to encapsulation in a Green Label Qualified Grade holder.” This may not be true and I could have been mistaken in inferring that since I have seen exceptions (mistakes?) and wanted to understand why. This isn’t rocket science (that’s my career) and it’s one thing to debate whether a book should be a 6.5 or a 7.0 but not labels. There should be a standard and consistency with labels. Sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. Even in his Green Label write-up zzutak states “a pristine book with a centerfold detached at a single staple will have a Universal Grade as high as 9.2 or 9.4… and a lightly worn book with a completely detached centerfold will have a Universal Grade of 6.5 to 7.0” (not could but will). So which is it? Can I submit a book with a centerfold detached at a single staple (or any Category 2 defect for that matter) and know I will get a Green label or is it a cr@p shoot and I could get a Blue label? That was the point of this thread. If I know ahead of time that a detached staple will always receive a Green Label then I have done my due diligence and can make an informed decision whether it is worth submitting the books for grading. The fact that some detached staple books are coming back with blue labels graded at 6.5 or higher makes me question what I’m going to get. That is why I brought it up. It’s probably best to assume it will come back in a Green label and if it’s Blue it will be a pleasant surprise for some people (as long as it is not 0.5) but not for all. It just seems way too inconsistent especially when the value of a book is riding on it. Personally, I believe Green labels should be for incomplete books ONLY but that is a discussion for another time.

Agreed. I don't believe a loose centerfold or one staple detached should be equal in damage to missing pieces, wraps or coupons although CGC treats them the same. While I can understand missing wraps or coupons causing a max 3.0 blue label, the bottom line is that CGC considers foxing, blunting, spine ticks, color rub even staining as less egregious damage, although visible in a slab, than a loose centerfold or one staple detached (which also would cause a max 3.0 blue) that is not visible. If CGC considered a center detached staple a 1 or 2 point down grade (e.g. 9.0 down to 8.0 but still green) I'm pretty sure most of us would rather have it over a similar book with staining or foxing down graded from 9.0 to 8.0. It's more visually appealing in a slab. Centerfold staples are punished way, way too harshly. I understand popped cover staples but not centerfold staples.

While I agree, in general, with most of your comments that damage is damage, in my opinion a book that looks great (9.0+) but has one center staple detached or coupon missing (that can't be seen slabbed) should not be down graded so harshly to a blue 3.0 while another book that looks great but the back has foxing or water damage may only be down graded to an 7.5 or 8.0. So what CGC is saying is that some unseen damage when slabbed is worth a 5 or 6 point (grade) down grade but seen damage may only down grade a book by a grade or two. I'd like to see a detached center staple be a one point down grade (maybe 2) like, foxing, blunting or water damage. It's just too big of a hit. My

Thanks. That makes more sense. So what it comes down to is if you have an old book that you think is 3.0 or less you can submit it believing you will get an Universal grade but if it comes back above or you have some books that are 6.0, 7.0 , etc you will have to weigh whether you want to submit them and get the dreaded QLOD.

I've read zzutak's "An In-Depth Comparison of Green Label and Blue Label Grading" and that is why I brought this up in the first place. The issues I mentioned, all staple pulls, detached covers or center staple detached (top or bottom) I thought would fall under Green label Category 2. So again, why are some books coming back as as Universal grade 3.0 and not Qualified (Green) grade 3.0? I'm confused.