Silverdream

I've been tempted to buy one but ive been warded off by the higher price. Starting to think I should with these prices. The one I am looking at is around VF but it signed by Jerry Siegel and Alan Moore. Good luck getting those on this book huh? Moore wont do it, for anyone, ever. Siegel died in 1994. I want to get it signed by Miller. How awesome would that be? Ugh guess I gotta open my wallet.

I think chuck has slowly gone insane- and angered, by the massive increase in value of comics as a whole. Think about what the man has owned, held in his hand, and what he has to show for it. While he isn't broke, I'm sure he looks back all the time regretting selling EVERYTHING for NOTHING, basically. Sure he got great prices then, but nothing like what we are seeing these days. Im sure he was freaking excited selling you DD # 7 for $10, at the time, and on and on. Your story just makes this point stronger. It doesn't excuse the insanity, but I think this is a major reason to why he is doing this now. Desperation to not mess up again.

Ive been away for quite some time, so my apologies.

yeah, these books just keep going up. Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up. This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up. Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback: More than a year ago JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50 22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more. I notice wantedcomix has auctioned off a few of the JIM 633 Venom as well. They seem to be the only one that has auctioned any off. The last one, they said was in raw 7.0 condition and it still went strong. With only a ~23,000 copies of the regular cover distributed and it being a 1:50, it's hard to fathom any scenario where very many more than ~400 copies of the variant being distributed, let alone printed. -J. Your math is off buddy . Care to explain how? -J. Because you didn't do exact math and get 460. I hope that's a joke. Either that or that people didn't know what I meant with a "~" in front of the numbers. Also, 460 would assume all shops' orders were in quantities of 50+ to qualify- an unlikely scenario, and particularly since JIM was a title on its last legs at the time. -J. This is why I said its curious wantedcomix had so many copies. Ive counted using sold sales from their feedback and im at 28 separate copies of JIM 633 venom variant. There is no way they ordered 1,400 copies of the regular issue to qualify for all of these. Thor # 10 as well, im at 35 separate copies of that venom variant that they have sold in the past 3 years. They somehow got a hold of the undistributed, non-qualified for, venom variants back 3 years ago. Probably from Diamond. That's the fallacy with these LOW print run " guesses" So you are at 460 copies based on diamond orders of the regular issue, and stress that obviously not all shops qualified to get this issue. So its even lower? Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer. Remember that artists usually get a few copies of the covers they do, some books are given away in house as well. What happens to the balance that isn't distributed? They are surely are not used as firewood. It would be easier for diamond to just sell them a few months or a year later at cover price or lower, which is probably how WantedComix managed to get so many. So for Journey into Mystery # 633 1:50 variant. We have to assume a scenario like this. 500 printed. A reasonable guess of about 300 copies distributed to stores that qualified for the variant. 50 copies going to artists and In house. 150 copies leftover, which are later distributed by diamond, probably offered to their largest account holders first at low prices. Even on the outside of both extremes, our estimated numbers are not very far apart. In fact, we are probably quibbling over a less than 100 copies difference. Either way, the JIM 633 Venom is easily going to be the scarcest Venom variant of the group given the title's sales figures, regardless of which single comic shop managed to get their hands on whatever scant copies were leftover. -J. I agree with you. Its not far apart. What has always concerned me however, is a book exploding to 2-3k because only a small amount were distributed via the 1: programs. Then collectors losing their tails off when another few hundred copies come into the market in a small period of time, by someone who managed to get a ton of the undistributed copies. This will hurt the hobby. People will be angry and quit, and that hurts us all. I wish they ( marvel and DC and others) would see what's happening in the market with these variants and try to legitimize these variants more. I.E. Stating a true print run, possibly pulping the non- qualifying books. Its not their responsibility , but it would help everyone IMO.

Hey, I bought one of those! Came in great shape, too. Wonder what is the rarest of the versions of this book, 1st 2nd 3rd print or newsstand? What I find strangest of all, is the fact this book got hot out of nowhere, for some unknown reason, and then the man passes away out of nowhere not a month later.

yeah, these books just keep going up. Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up. This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up. Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback: More than a year ago JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50 22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more. I notice wantedcomix has auctioned off a few of the JIM 633 Venom as well. They seem to be the only one that has auctioned any off. The last one, they said was in raw 7.0 condition and it still went strong. With only a ~23,000 copies of the regular cover distributed and it being a 1:50, it's hard to fathom any scenario where very many more than ~400 copies of the variant being distributed, let alone printed. -J. Your math is off buddy . Care to explain how? -J. Because you didn't do exact math and get 460. I hope that's a joke. Either that or that people didn't know what I meant with a "~" in front of the numbers. Also, 460 would assume all shops' orders were in quantities of 50+ to qualify- an unlikely scenario, and particularly since JIM was a title on its last legs at the time. -J. This is why I said its curious wantedcomix had so many copies. Ive counted using sold sales from their feedback and im at 28 separate copies of JIM 633 venom variant. There is no way they ordered 1,400 copies of the regular issue to qualify for all of these. Thor # 10 as well, im at 35 separate copies of that venom variant that they have sold in the past 3 years. They somehow got a hold of the undistributed, non-qualified for, venom variants back 3 years ago. Probably from Diamond. That's the fallacy with these LOW print run " guesses" So you are at 460 copies based on diamond orders of the regular issue, and stress that obviously not all shops qualified to get this issue. So its even lower? Sorry that's not how it works. They don't wait until diamond gets its orders from the stores and then go back and print and second batch of these books with the variant cover based on those orders. It would be severely cost inefficient to do so. They print them all at the same time. They would typically use previous sales numbers to get a base number to print for the variant like the 460 you came up with, knowing that not all retailers would qualify. Round numbers make sense. It would make much more sense that they printed 500 copies, not worrying about how many retailers qualified, just being happy that they made enough to cover that offer. Remember that artists usually get a few copies of the covers they do, some books are given away in house as well. What happens to the balance that isn't distributed? They are surely are not used as firewood. It would be easier for diamond to just sell them a few months or a year later at cover price or lower, which is probably how WantedComix managed to get so many. So for Journey into Mystery # 633 1:50 variant. We have to assume a scenario like this. 500 printed. A reasonable guess of about 300 copies distributed to stores that qualified for the variant. 50 copies going to artists and In house. 150 copies leftover, which are later distributed by diamond, probably offered to their largest account holders first at low prices.

yeah, these books just keep going up. Interesting side note. Wantedcomix seems to have a near endless supply of these venom variants I remember them selling the venom variants grouped with a TPB in 2013, 2014 and 2015 , they were ending in the $5 - 30 range. over and over again. They are prolly kicking themselves now. They have sold Dozens and Dozens of each individual book. It seems to me they must have somehow acquired some, or all, of the remaining undistributed copies. Go look at their feedback, if you feel like digging and adding them up. This is what always scares me about these modern 1: variants. The print run numbers are complete guesses based on ratios and there is no guarantee how many were actually printed, and where the undistributed copies end up. Here is an old sale from page #200 of their feedback: More than a year ago JOURNEY INTO MYSTERY #633 1:50 VENOM VARIANT COVER SCARCE & FREE THOR HERUCLES 1 (#400550069813) US $22.50 22 bucks and a free TPB They have sold dozens of this book, and it seems they still have more.

Production error. Yes, and production errors get a GLOD now. Or didn't you know that? This just infuriates me. Every single error book I turn in comes back GLOD. Every time I question why, its either " We decided a few years ago after the Venom black errors that ALL manufacturing errors would get a green label" Question a recently graded error book like this and you will get " It was a mistake, and SHOULD have been a green label" SMH yeah, ok.

Where?!? He bought it on Ebay. 4.99 + 4.00 shipping. Had it on my watch list, but forgot to bid, other wise I would have made him pay at least $15 for it, or owned it myself. Summertime is great for deals, people got stuff going on! The real question you need to ask, is which venue he is going to resell it at.

Stuff like this takes time. If enough people get interested in these upc variants, they will be separated eventually. Its a question of if it will stick. These types of sets along with the multiple printing sets of Death of superman, knightfall and so on, are the copper/modern age "cent" variants basically.

There's a shop in Whitehorse in the Yukon Territory that keeps its comics in the basement... they could be in trouble. Last time I was there, though, it was all drek. Batman Adventures #12 was drek 7 years ago, too... Yup. Even 4 years ago when I was buying them for a few bucks and selling them for $20 .. I was laughing thinking ... suckers! Who knew. Glad I kept a few at least.

Obvious scam. -J. I own roughly 2,000 books with MJ inserts. Every single one has a newsstand barcode. I have seen thousands more MJ insert books and all have barcodes. It doesn't hurt to live near the largest US military base. Probably a scam, however, lets all remember errors do happen at the printers. Double Covers, missing foil ,books upside down, backwards, same pages inserted throughout the book, wrong covers ... on and on. Its defiantly possible that one got slipped in at the switch over between the direct and newsstand barcode plate change. The only way to tell for sure would to be a magnified examination of the staples.

(thumbs u Never in my wildest dreams would I have expected SS44 to pull $50 in raw VF-NM. I always knew it was the first actual appearance of the gauntlet with gems, but I never thought anyone would care enough. I am constantly amazed with this market. That's a good thing I think

Sounds like a great list. I can never find the website though. This is a valid complaint. I found a comic shop on Saturday that was - to be blunt - clueless about the marketplace. I wanted to find Terry's site because there were piles of stuff everywhere. I could NOT GET IN to the site on a phone or a tablet. But I did OK anyways. I just take notes on my phone everytime I see a comic trending. I have one list for every comic age.. I can sell you my lists if you want You guys just need to be an oldschool dork like me and carry around a paper list in your wallet . Whenever I walk into a new comic shop, where I'm not known, I get looked at like I probably don't collect comics and know jack about them. Bust out the list and suddenly an employee usually asks if there's any specific books I'm after. Plus, watching my TOS checklist come to nearly nothing is a very rewarding feeling......only need #52 and a couple other relatively unimportant issues (then it'll be time to revise the heck out of my list). Or, you could just have an eidetic memory and keep it all in your head... Sounds more like Savant Syndrome Should we add you to THE LIST ? It's funny tho, I have never brought a list to a store or convention when longbox searching. I tend to remember the multitude of variants out there and hot titles and find stuff only on memory. I just call it a " good memory" SMH

Some people seem to care: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fugitoid-1-TMNT-1st-Print-CGC-9-6-WP-/381042832273?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item58b7ec3391 Not really 20 bucks I was hoping I didn't have to get into a conversation about how the world works. Many people are lazy and never send comics to cgc, but only buy cgc books. There are 56 graded Fugitoid # 1's on the census ( because there is nearly zero demand to justify grading them ) , whoever bought that book did so as it was their only option, didn't want to wait, and didn't care about their money enough to do so. The fact is, anyone who wants a cgc 9.6 can buy a raw NM and sent it in for a total cost of less than $50 including grading. They just have to know what they are looking for. There are plenty out there, but , generally, nobody cares.