aszumilo

Based on last sale on GPA

ff 4 - 4.5 - $5100

IM 55 - 7.5 - $655
FF 52 - 4.5 - $1100
ASM 129 - 9.0 - $4050

+ $1200

Total of $7005 in trade plus cash.  Knowing that dealers won't give you full value for your trades, and his book was a bit over priced, I would say you didn't do too bad.  Not a great deal, but, we've all overpaid for a book at some point.

If he shows up in a movie, it could give the book a nice bump and could turn out to be a great deal for you.

On 8/11/2022 at 2:58 PM, kav said:

I tried influencing woodgod value but nuthin.

You need to put an acetate cover on it.  BANG!  PROFIT!

My grades

Hit Comics #5 - 5.0  - 5.0 - Bullseye

Four Color #348 - 8.5 - 9.0 +1

GI Combat #68 - 6.5 - 4.0 +5

Incredible Hulk #181 - 7.0 - 6.5 +1

Spawn #1 - 9.6 - 9.4 +1

Another +8 for me

On 7/10/2022 at 10:45 PM, kav said:

@2Sunny- the staples look completely different tho-can you explain?  Before oxidized, 9.0 not.  also the bottom staple is a different shape and top left corner looks different:

@DR.X

Also, look at the black line running up the spine.  Looks like it got moved towards the center a bit.

On 7/9/2022 at 3:19 PM, 2Sunny said:

I've been framing my favorites and initially I was buying reader copies, but then I realized I could read them as well as thousands of others by subscribing to Marvel Unlimited so that's what I did, and I couldn't be happier with that choice as now I can reread what I frame as well as comics and whole series even that I never had interest in as a kid and then decide if it's worth going out and hunting down a copy.

 

 

I'm glad it came back as a 9.0.  You are correct, pics on a website don't always show the whole "picture".  Congrats!

Those Mr. Miracles look really nice and look real good in that frame.  Nicely done.  Did you frame them yourself or have it done?

On 7/10/2022 at 9:14 PM, Pitboss said:

Fact. I recently recieved a package that was not for me. It was the wrong street address and the wrong CITY.

A few years ago, I had my Christmas raffle prize go missing.  Showed as delivered and signed for.  Called FedEx and was told that the driver said it was delivered and signed for by a man.  No possible way.  No one was home to sign for it.  When I told them I wanted them to check the GPS on where it was delivered they told me they weren't going to do that since the driver said it was delivered and signed for.

I will never use FedEx if I can possibly avoid it.

FedEx = Most Reliable????????  They have screwed me on more deliveries than UPS and USPS combined.

I'm in

Bought this off a friend for$1.00, only to find out later I could have bought it for a quarter off the rack.

This is my original copy, probably a VG/F and still only worth what I paid for it.

On 6/4/2022 at 3:54 PM, 1Cool said:

Did anyone else wonder how Roy got the knife across the border  

Roy would have round house kicked him in the ear lobe.

On 5/23/2022 at 6:44 AM, Stronguy said:

It is the 4th Print BOMC variant.  That sucks.  Oh, well, guess I'll keep my eyes open.for another one.

Got the book today.  Looks real nice, but, I think I see why it is a 9.6.  Probably wouldn't get a bump.  Case is scuffed up a bit on the back, so, I will probably crack it out to check the inside cover and see which 4th print version it is.  Hoping it is not the actual BOMC, but, hoping it is the non BOMC, no price, no mature reader warning version. 

On 5/17/2022 at 7:26 AM, Stronguy said:

I think you're putting way to much faith in CGC's QC department.  I have had them screw up labeling many, many books even with it properly noted on the submission form and post-its on the books.  If it wasn't noted (or even noticed) by the original submitter, there's little chance that CGC picked up on it.  It's like they're running a puppy mill in the grading room right now.  That being said, I want to know what you find out. 

I could be putting too much faith in them, but, hoping that they didn't screw up on the label and it is a new variant.  Was told it could possibly be a Canadian version of the BOMC and due to Canadian import/labeling laws maybe they couldn't use it.  Who knows?  Worst case scenario it is a BOMC edition it would give me 2 of them in 9.6 and if I crack to check and resubmit, maybe get a 9.8 out of it.  Currently there are only 3 BOMC graded editions, 2 at 9.6 and 1 at 9.4.  Worth a shot to upgrade my set as I try to reclaim the #1 spot. 

On 5/12/2022 at 6:25 AM, Stronguy said:

Yeah, I have been watching that one.  I'm not going to pull the trigger at the current asking price.

Made an offer, he countered, I accepted.  I checked the cert number and it was graded in February.  Well after they became aware of the BOMC edition, so, I think it is the 4th edition without the price and warning on it.  Now to decide whether to crack it out and check it or not.

After checking, the UK editions were also printed in Canada.

On 5/12/2022 at 7:04 AM, Stronguy said:

I was pretty surprised to see no BOMC noted on the indicia.  I figured it was like the other BOMC 4th prints. 

Maybe it has something to do with being out of Canada.  Was there a special 4th printing for Canada with no price?  That seems unlikely because who would print something that was individually for sale without a price.  Is this an error?  Maybe.  Just another mystery for us to solve.

As far as I know all US editions were printed in Canada.  I believe the UK versions were as well.  I would have to double check that.  I have not heard of any Canadian variants.  Pretty sure the US versions were sold on both sides of the border.  The weird part is it has no price on it.  Maybe it was a give away of some sort?

Found another 4th print, on E-Bay, that does not have the price or mature warning on the back.  Can't see the inside of the front cover since it is graded.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144473710791?hash=item21a34de0c7:g:kd4AAOSwzq9iOudg

On 5/11/2022 at 7:51 PM, Stronguy said:

Okay Detectives, here's a new twist on the 4th Print...
A few weeks ago I was rereading this thread and decided to look for a BOMC 4th print.  I dug through a few hundred eBay listing and found 2 so I bought them.  One arrived last week and the other, from Canada, arrived tonight. 

Front cover logo on the one from Canada (left) is slightly lighter than the one from the US but that's no big deal .

Back covers look the same -- no MATURE CONTENT warning nor price.

However, when I opened the book from Canada there was no BOMC notation.  

So now it appears there is yet another, 3rd variant, of the 4th printing.  Anyone see one of these before?

Lighter colors happened throughout all the printings.  Just ink running low,  Some people on E-Bay say it is a variant, but, they are fools.

As far as that 4th print.  That is something new.  Not sure where that came from.  Maybe it was a misprint from the BOMC variant, where they forgot to add the BOMC part.  Curse you , now I have something else to track down and figure out.  The "regular" 4th print should have the price ($3.50) and mature warning on the back cover.

Maybe @RockMyAmadeushas some insight, since he and I talked heavily on the BOMC edition.

On 4/19/2022 at 10:46 AM, valiantman said:

@aszumilo 

What's the rationale for having three UK first prints with three different cover prices?

While the indicia may not have changed between printings, an increase in price is generally indicative of a later date (and later printing).

In many cases (other comics), sometimes the only way to know that a book goes from 1st print to 2nd print or from 3rd print to 4th print is the higher cover price.

Looking at the books I have (3 graded and 4 raw), I see the following from my raw books:
Green - Indicia shows "1st Titan Edition May 1988" - £1.95 price
Pink - Indicia shows "2nd Titan Edition" (no date) - £1.95 price
Orange - Indicia shows "1st Titan Edition May 1988" - £2.25 price
Yellow - Indicia shows "1st Titan Edition May 1988" - £2.50 price

How CGC sees them according to the label:
Green - "UK Edition" - No printing designation (which falls in line with the US edition label)
Orange - "UK Edition/3rd Edition"
Yellow - "UK Edition/4th Printing"

So, it makes sense that 1st = Green, 2nd = Pink, 3rd = Orange, and 4th = Yellow, even though they all state first edition and date of May 1988 (excpet for pink)

You are correct on the price = printing.  I seriously never thought to look at the prices on them before and wondered why CGC labeled them that way.  Now I know.

I did come across a listing (somewhere) that said there was a copy that said 4th Edition in the indicia.  Not sure where I saw it at and have never seen a UK edition where it does say it, so, not sure if that exists or not.

Thanks for the clarification.

On 4/19/2022 at 6:45 PM, Ron C. said:

Sorry, but I am just now seeing this thread. This copy of mine was stolen off of a porch earlier this year. Please let me know if you ever see this one.... It is less than likely that someone would crack and resubmit a Bolland signed copy... perhaps to CBCS as a verified book though.

That sucks.  I will keep an eye out.  Make sure you let your local comic stores (and maybe pawn shops) know about it.

Also add it to your registry.  This way if someone else tries to add it to theirs, you'll get a message asking if you still own the book.

On 4/19/2022 at 10:46 AM, valiantman said:

@aszumilo 

What's the rationale for having three UK first prints with three different cover prices?

While the indicia may not have changed between printings, an increase in price is generally indicative of a later date (and later printing).

In many cases (other comics), sometimes the only way to know that a book goes from 1st print to 2nd print or from 3rd print to 4th print is the higher cover price.

The UK editions have me confused as well.  Not sure about the different prices, I would have to check on that, but, it is a plausible scenario.  They also have different color logos.  While the indicia lists those as 1st prints, CGC does not.  I think CGC lists the Yellow logo as the 3rd printing.  I don't remember 100% offhand.  I would have to double check when I get home from work.  

On 4/18/2022 at 10:42 AM, Miguelb said:

Seeing as you seem to be the resident expert, always thought I had the first printing and recently went through my collection for the first time in a long time...I actually have the 9th printing which is supposedly one of the rarer printings. Is that actually the case?  Got it cleaned and sent off to be graded, hoping for a good outcome.

I don't think the 9th print is all that rare.  I usually see 1 or 2 on E-Bay.  9th prints used to sell for pretty cheap, inline with the other prints other than the 1st print.  Someone posted a 9th print for sale calling it "Rare" and somehow people ran with it.  I think 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th prints are harder to find and may be a bit more rare than the 9th.  I haven't been able to find any numbers that show how many of each print were actually printed, but, based on number of graded copies in the census the 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, and 13th prints have less copies graded than the 9th.  The actual rarest, I believe, is the 4th print Book of the Month Club edition with only 3 copies graded (mine was the first one graded).  There are 2 9.6 and 1 9.4 graded currently.

1st - 8928 graded
2nd - 175 graded
3rd - 89 grade
4th - 54 graded
4th BOMC - 3 graded
5th - 98 graded
6th - 103 graded
7th - 72 graded
8th - 23 graded
9th - 46 graded
10 - 15 graded
11th - 19 graded
12th - 11 graded
13th - 7 graded
14th - 49 graded

Also, CGC does not recognize the 6th, 11th, and 13th newsstand editions, so, those are included in the total graded for those printings.

Quick browse of E-Bay, there are currently 8 9th prints for sale, 1 10th print and 1 11th print for sale.  Majority of the US editions, for sale on E-Bay,  are 1st thru 7th.

On 4/15/2022 at 7:54 AM, MichaelBSmith said:

Hi aszumilo - as you look to be the leading authority on this book and it’s versions… 1st thanks for the research- I quite littering stumble across this because I bought an 11th printing and noticed the UPC nbr was drastically different from my other prints with an UPC

 

Can you tell me please the difference in the 14th print - I have the figures new in box with that print but don’t want to open it to look at that edition - I ordered a 14th printing separately and the back has the DC Direct Joker & Harley Quinn advertisement and the the UPC says Direct Sales $5.99

 

i just purchased a 11th print direct sales and all I need or thought I needed is a 9th & 10th to complete my set.  That was of course until I learned I also need a 6th & 13th newsstand 

 

thanks

michael 

The book included with the action figures IS the 14th printing.  CGC listed it as Direct Edition OR as the 14th printing (depending on who graded it, I guess).  I finally got them straightened out and now they only list the 14th print for the registry. 

As far as the 11th printing goes, there is a Direct Sales edition (UPC 7 61941 20212 00121).  If you look at the UPC code, the last digit corresponds to the 11th print.  There is also a Newsstand edition (UPC 9 780930 289454 50495).  The last 3 digits of the UPC code corresponds to the price of the book.  495 = $4.95 cover price.

The 6th Print Newsstand will have a UPC Code on the front cover.  The Direct Sales edition has no UPC code at all.

There is also a Book of the Month club 4th Printing.  Inside the front cover you will see BOMC and the back cover has no price or mature reader warning on it.  So, you might want to be on the look out for that one.

If you have any other questions, feel free to reach out to me.

If you really want to go down the Killing Joke rabbit hole, try the foreign editions.  Here are a few of the ones I have.  There are quite a few more out there I am trying to track down.

I'm in!