Robert Doggett

You rock, Adamantium!  I looked but couldn't find anything!  I will write this down and post it physically in plain view somewhere near my monitor!

Age old question:  What time frames has CGC assigned to the Golden Age, Silver Age, Bronze Age, Copper Age and Modern Age?  Want to offer some books for sale but don't know where one age ends and another starts up.  

I have looked around the boards but can't seem to find a concise timeline to reference.  I could go best guess, I suppose.

Was on the buying end of a transaction with catwomancomics and it couldn't have gone any smoother.  Had the book within two days of him shipping it cross country.  Very well packaged and in great shape.  Wouldn't have any reservations buying from or selling to this gent in the future!

Dave has great communications skills!  We were able to make a deal pretty quickly and the turn around time between payment and having the book at my doorstep was quite amazing as well.  I think it was two days.  Will definitely do business with again!  No questions asked.

Waiting for some MTUs to show up!  LOL  

Those books you listed are awful purty, Mr. Ghost Town!  Especially that FF 112!

The first  wins the lot.  Trumps any negotiations in PM.

I accept PayPal goods and services only.  No exceptions!

I will ship USPS Priority Mail, fully insured.  

If you need to see more pictures or want to discuss a particular book please drop me a PM and we can certainly chat.

Saga of Swamp Thing 1-17 plus annual 1.  $85 for the lot shipped to your door.

issue Condition

1 - NM 

2 - NM- 

3 - NM- slight spine roll will easily press out 

4 - VF/NM press and clean will help tremendously 

5 - NM+

6 - NM- slight spine roll will easily press out 

7 - NM

8 - NM+

9 - NM+

10 - NM+

11 - NM-

12 - NM+

13 - NM+

14 - NM- slight spine roll will easily press out 

15 - NM

16 - NM+

17 - NM

Ann 1 - NM+

On 9/2/2021 at 2:53 PM, hatrik777 said:

Take the 67

First  in thread gets the book and will trump any PM negotiations.

Currently shipping to CONUS via USPS Priority Mail (fully insured).  Interested international buyers, I will charge actual USPS shipping costs.

Shipping will be $10 for 1-5 books (for CONUS as explained above)

Preferred payment is through PayPal and is expected within 72 hours.

Returns and refunds on raw books if dissatisfied with the grade; just pay return shipping.  Please notify me within 72 hours after receiving the book(s).

PM me with questions on any of the books.

No Probation or HOS members.

Fantastic Four 35 - 4.0 - $30 - TRIMMED top edge - spine wear, stain top right back corner, water stain bottom back cover.

Fantastic Four 37 - 4.0 - $40 -Substantial spine wear, cover indentations, stains on back cover.

Fantastic Four 61 - 7.0 - $25 - TRIMMMED top edge - Minor spine wear, small stain center left edge back cover.

Fantastic Four 62 - 7.5 - $100 - Minor spine wear, top right corner front cover slight color break fold, bottom right corner front cover slight color break fold.

Fantastic Four 63 - 7.5 - $70 - Minor spine wear, top edge ticks, top right corner front cover color break.

Fantastic Four 66 - 7.5 - $40 - TRIMMED all three edges - Minor spine wear, cover indentations

**SOLD** Fantastic Four 67 - 6.5 - $250 - spine wear, back cover has small creases (NCB), would benefit with press and clean

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Fantastic Four 35 - 4.0 - $30 - TRIMMED top edge - spine wear, stain top right back corner, water stain bottom back cover.

Fantastic Four 37 - 4.0 - $40 -Substantial spine wear, cover indentations, stains on back cover.

Fantastic Four 61 - 7.0 - $25 - TRIMMMED top edge - Minor spine wear, small stain center left edge back cover.

Fantastic Four 62 - 7.5 - $100 - Minor spine wear, top right corner front cover slight color break fold, bottom right corner front cover slight color break fold.

Fantastic Four 63 - 7.5 - $70 - Minor spine wear, top edge ticks, top right corner front cover color break.

Fantastic Four 66 - 7.5 - $40 - TRIMMED all three edges - Minor spine wear, cover indentations front and back

**SOLD** Fantastic Four 67 - 6.5 - $250 - spine wear, back cover has small creases (NCB), would benefit with press and clean

Not sure if this is the correct place to ask this but I'm kinda working on a transaction with a guy named Ron Thomas from Missouri.  Has anyone dealt with him before that can vouch for him?  

Also, if this is not the appropriate place to ask this, please clue me in on where that place might be.  The probation list/HOS thread isn't for discussion and the Kudos thread doesn't seem like the right place either.

Many thanks!

Thank you guys for a great discussion.  I took a lot away from it and appreciated the professionalism in the way it was conducted! 

On 8/30/2021 at 7:48 PM, Rainbow in the Park said:

You ever hear of the Arvel Omics Roup before?

 I knew about miswraps, obviously.  At least you didn't buy a HOR book!   That would have been drastic, I think! 

On 8/30/2021 at 7:37 PM, The Lions Den said:

I always try to keep in mind that these books were mass produced using cheap raw material and little attention to quality control...   

After reading the thread Tony shared with us, I'm convinced that 35 and 61 were trimmed on the top and 66 got the total treatment with all three edges being trimmed.  It's sad but am super glad I had the opportunity to read it. 

On 8/30/2021 at 7:06 PM, Tony S said:

Finally someone touches on the real answer. I was going to be more forceful but Lion's Den beat me to it. 

SIZE is the least reliable indicator of a book being trimmed.  Quality control was more a thought than a fact back in the day of vintage newsprint comic books.  Just a few weeks ago I sent an ASM 101 in for a client that I suspected might be  trimmed given that it was smaller than normal both length and width.  Came back universal CGC. I'm glad I didn't say anything and cause any unnecessary alarm. 

There is a sticky in this sub forum on how to detect restoration. I suck at detecting trimming.  But I have learned a 1/4" or ever more difference in size is not a reliable indicator of trimming. 
 

 

 

Tony, you're my guy for clean and pressing on my silver age stuff.  That thread was impressive and I feel I can sleep soundly tonight for learning something new about something I care about!  I definitely appreciate the link!

On 8/30/2021 at 4:32 PM, Lazyboy said:

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/332650-measuring-doesnt-work/

That was a very interesting read, Lazyboy!!  So the only way to truly know if it's been trimmed is send it in to get graded?  I'm no expert at restoration detection by any means.  I always thought trimming was something you could only tell with measurements.  Issues 61 and 66 came out in '66/'67. Issue 35 was a few years earlier.  So is this the era of sizing imperfections?

It appears that they trimmed the right side of 35 and 66.  Issue 61 seems to be the correct width.

On 8/30/2021 at 2:05 PM, silverseeker said:

 

@Robert Doggett, your photos do a great job of showing the differences in height...how do the books compare in regards to their widths?

I’ll get those pics tonight.  Good point, more trimmed, less desirable.

On 8/30/2021 at 11:37 AM, CK-1 said:

While that's true, the difference shown in these photos is pretty large in some, and all of the comics shown that aren't references definitely look trimmed to my eyes (sharp edges, code stamp almost cut off).

Issue 66 especially.  35 and 61 is only about 1/8 inch but still brow raising.

On 8/29/2021 at 11:41 AM, zzutak said:

Silver Age FF are in high demand right now.  The best way to guarantee a "fair" price and an "honest" sale is to list the books on eBay using an auction format with a $0.99 starting bid.  Describe the books accurately and thoroughly, using clear images and carefully chosen words.  Easy. 

Thanks, zzutak!  That makes the most sense.  I'll finish going through issues 60-75 and see what I can put on the boards here.  Nothing trimmed or otherwise restored (from what I can notice) will go up.  I have most of the original run of FFs from 60 on up.  I do not have issue 94, though.

Hey there, everybody!

I've had my FF collection in boxes in a dark corner of my closet for a while now.  I just decided to open them up and go through them and found that a few of them appear to have been trimmed.  The reason I was going through them was to sell them individually so I found three books (so far) that were a little disappointing to me.  I want to be fair with my pricing and as honest as possible. I know it would be easier just to pass these along to the next guy but my conscience won't allow for that.  

I do know that trimming is the most frowned upon "restoration" that can happen to a book as it is 100% irreversible.  Without getting into a "What's my book worth" discussion, how hard of a hit do these books take as being trimmed?  

Issue 62 in the scans is there to represent an uncut book from the same era and issues 35, 61 and 66 are the trimmed books.  Just curious to find out from true collectors what the impact of this heinous act has on the price of these books.

Lastly, I'm sure this topic has been covered 100 ways to Sunday but I couldn't find what I was looking for in past threads.

Thanks for everyone’s input.  I’m going to send it to Tony Stark for a clean and press then off to CGC.  I’ll fast pass it so I’ll hopefully get it before Christmas.

if I remember, I’ll be sure to update the thread with the grade.

On 7/25/2021 at 9:09 PM, Randall Ries said:

5.5

Thanks!  As is or after a press?

Tight staples, pages are OWW-OW.  Lots of press-able things going on with book. 

FF 1 CGC 3.0 SS Stan Lee - Sold the book for $4.5K on Reese's Rare Comics (at the time, fair market value) with the intention of upgrading it to a 4.0 blue label.  Got the money from the sale but Reese's never came through with a 4.0 and two weeks later, my 3.0 SS Stan book went up in value to $10K+.  I trusted people where I shouldn't have.  I should have put a $10K price on the book until a 4.0 was found but with hindsight, it's easy to know what should have been done.  Sadly, I dissolved my FF collection after that knowing that I will never have the opportunity to afford another FF 1.  Still irked about it to this day!

Appreciate the opinions!!  It's hard to grade your own books when you have owner's goggles on.  As a buyer, flaws are much easier to see! 

I wasn't sure how much the evil stain would bring it down.

Just pulled this out of the box and thought it looked pretty decent with the exception of a stain on the back cover.  Could this fine community do their worst and give your opinion on my FF 129 grade?  I plan on sending this into Tony Starks for a clean and press and then off to CGC.