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We all have senior moments....mine come with increasing frequency! You've got all of the first issues across the eleven titles and ASM/ FF #s 1-10, so with patience and a bit of luck the 'missing' numbers should show up for reasonable prices in the not too distant future. Keep us posted on your progress.

I agree with all of those but believe there is actually a 'first eleven' of early SA Marvel titles which includes X-Men. Also, I wondered if you have AF #15 to supplement your ASM #s1-10 set? Still, it's quite an achievement to be just eleven issues away from completing first ten issue runs of those ten titles. Best of luck in hunting down the missing numbers.

As a matter of interest, could you let us know what you regard as being the first ten early SA Marvel titles?

Hi Brian Assuming we're going to benchmark future registry scores against Overstreet 9.2 values then I've identified a number of books where there there is currently a variance of circa 50% or more between registry 9.2 points and current Overstreet (Volume 52) value in that grade. As such I'd be grateful if you could review registry points on the following books. Many thanks for considering. Title #'s Current Registry Points for Universal 9.2 grade Current Overstreet (Vol. 52) value for 9.2 grade ($) Amazing Spider-man (1963) 2 15000 25000 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 3 14700 25000 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 4 7500 16000 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 14 9000 15000 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 30 500 800 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 31 2875 4000 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 90 210 350 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 101 1125 2500 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 119 135 225 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 120 135 225 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 123 75 190 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 125 75 180 Amazing Spider-man (1963) 126-128 75 115 Avengers (1963) 4 8500 12000 Avengers (1963) 8 2750 4200 Avengers (1963) 10 825 1200 Avengers (1963) 19 428 800 Avengers (1963) 47 338 800 Avengers (1963) 54 150 275 Avengers (1963) 67 128 195 Avengers (1963) 70 250 400 Avengers (1963) 80 113 175 Avengers Annual (1967) 1 210 310 Avengers Annual (1967) 2 158 210 Captain America (1968) 109 150 400 Captain America (1968) 112 85 150 Captain America (1968) 118 150 300 Captain America (1968) 137-138 50 75 Captain America (1968) 141-142 30 50 Captain America (1968) 143 45 60 Captain Marvel (1968) 2 75 150 Captain Marvel (1968) 3, 5 60 100 Captain Marvel (1968) 14 45 75 Daredevil (1964) 6 563 1000 Daredevil (1964) 16 540 1100 Daredevil (1964) 18 278 400 Daredevil (1964) 43 150 220 Daredevil (1964) 81 98 150 Doctor Strange (1968) 170 98 225 Doctor Strange (1968) 171-174, 176 98 160 Doctor Strange (1968) 182, 183 90 140 Fantastic Four (1961) 5 35250 75000 Fantastic Four (1961) 25 2250 4000 Fantastic Four (1961) 33 675 1000 Fantastic Four (1961) 45 2250 3800 Fantastic Four (1961) 46 975 2000 Fantastic Four (1961) 50 3282 7000 Fantastic Four (1961) 52 5550 10000 Fantastic Four (1961) 53 525 725 Fantastic Four (1961) 64 210 350 Fantastic Four (1961) 66 518 800 Fantastic Four (1961) 67 1500 2200 Fantastic Four (1961) 72 400 1000 Fantastic Four (1961) 74 263 400 Fantastic Four (1961) 75 300 600 Fantastic Four Annual (1963) 1 2100 5000 Giant-Size X-Men (1975) 1 7500 10000 Incredible Hulk (1968) 105 165 275 Incredible Hulk (1968) 128 57 85 Incredible Hulk (1968) 131 57 95 Incredible Hulk Annual (1968) 1 840 1200 Iron Man (1968) 17 98 200 Journey into Mystery (1952) 85 10500 24000 Marvel Collectors' Item Classics (1965) 1 210 320 Marvel Super-Heroes (1967) 13 1800 3200 Marvel Super-Heroes (1967) 15 90 135 Marvel Super-Heroes (1967) 17 425 900 Marvel Super-Heroes (1967) 20 600 950 Sgt. Fury (1963) 1 9900 30000 Strange Tales (1951) 111 1500 3000 Strange Tales (1951) 115 1875 3500 Strange Tales (1951) 126 975 2500 Sub-Mariner (1968) 5 443 750 Sub-Mariner (1968) 35 143 210 Tales of Asgard (1968) 1 98 160 Tales of Suspense (1959) 52 4050 10000 Tales of Suspense (1959) 53 863 1500 Tales of Suspense (1959) 57 3450 8000 Tales of Suspense (1959) 94 600 1000 Tales to Astonish (1959) 49 938 1650 Tales to Astonish (1959) 52 600 1000 Tales to Astonish (1959) 62 600 1000 Tales to Astonish (1959) 63 338 800 Tales to Astonish (1959) 93 488 1400 Thor (1966) 127, 128, 130 160 245 Thor (1966) 132 140 210 Thor (1966) 146, 147 110 175 Thor (1966) 148 250 400 Thor (1966) 149 110 200 Thor (1966) 151, 152 90 155 Thor (1966) 168 585 900 Thor (1966) 169 338 500 Thor (1966) 182, 183 45 90 Thor (1966) 184, 186-192 45 70 Thor (1966) 193 160 250 Tomb of Dracula (1972) 10 3250 5000 Werewolf by Night (1972) 1 400 600 X-Men (1963) 1 112500 180000 X-Men (1963) 12 2625 8000 X-Men (1963) 28 575 950 X-Men (1963) 35 638 975 X-Men (1963) 49 846 1200 X-Men (1963) 52 255 400 X-Men (1963) 58 500 1200 Scores adjusted per Overstreet Access 9.2

I remember it well. In fact Poyntons are still trading in the Derbion Shopping Centre and continue to carry an awesome array of new magazines, but not many new comics. Derby outdoor market on the Morledge in the 1960s was also a great place to buy 'old' American comics as well as copious quantities of Fantastic and Terrific. Everything was 6d. and the proprietor didn't feel the need to mark them up with a felt pen. Anything over two years old made you feel like you'd discovered an ancient -script!

Very informative and most humble of Buscema to say he learned from Jack. Interesting though that the two panels of Ben intimidating Sue immediately after the Thing/ Thor panel are in fact from FF #110...drawn by Buscema.

Thanks Brian, much appreciated. Look forward to further announcements as and when you have them, including criteria for making biannual adjustments to scores and what level of participation will be allowed for collectors.

Brian - this doesn't seem terribly optimistic considering this topic started over three months ago and the This Score Needs Fixin' thread was locked down last September. Many good and thoughtful ideas have been put forward since then so could you let us know if you have any timescales in mind to complete this review and institute a new Registry scoring system?

Thanks for the update Mike - much appreciated.

Can someone from CGC explain what the current problem is and when they expect to resolve it so that we don't have undertake these workarounds to update our sets.

+1 All requests were submitted in good faith under the review system as it was then understood and at the time the thread was locked down Brian did commit to fulfil all remaining requests. It would also be interesting if Brian could update us on any timescales for drafting and issue of proposals for a new Registry scoring model. Many thanks.

Hi Brian Could you take a look at a couple more Silver Age books which I inadvertently omitted from my previous post. Many thanks. Title # Significance of Book Current Registry Points for Universal 9.4 grade Most recent GPA for Universal 9.4 grade ($) Tales to Astonish 90 First Silver Age Appearance of Byrrah; First appearance of Abomination 270 3232 Tales to Astonish 91 First Abomination cover 270 800 Scores adjusted 4/6/23

Hi Brian I'd like to request a few more reviews for Silver and Bronze books where Registry points have slipped behind current market trends. For convenience I've used the 9.4 grade as an indicator of market trends for specific books in order to compare current registry points with latest reported GPA sales prices as per the table below. Thanks for considering. Title # Significance of Book Current Registry Points for Universal 9.4 grade Most recent GPA for Universal 9.4 grade ($) Amazing Spider-man 58 Second appearance of Spider-Slayer 480 1000 Amazing Spider-man 59 First Mary Jane cover 645 1175 Amazing Spider-man 113 Doctor Octopus appears 220 542 Amazing Spider-man 121 Death of Gwen Stacy 975 1600 Amazing Spider-man 122 Death of Green Goblin 600 1276 Amazing Spider-man 124 First appearance of Man-Wolf 430 1320 Avengers 6 First appearance of Zemo and Masters of Evil 3000 4850 Avengers 23 First appearance of Ravonna Renslayer 450 2495 Daredevil 2 Second appearance of Daredevil 4800 11251 Daredevil 37 Daredevil vs. Doctor Doom 255 1250 Daredevil 43 Daredevil vs. Captain America 300 900 Daredevil 66 Trapped in the Tar Pits of Death 120 276 Daredevil 82 Daredevil vs. Scorpion 90 166 Doctor Strange (1968) 175 Sons of Satannish appearance 195 445 Fantastic Four 55 Thing vs. Silver Surfer 1200 1975 Fantastic Four 90 The Skrull takes a Slave 300 576 Fantastic Four 101 Maggia story 240 504 Fantastic Four 112 Hulk vs. Thing 1400 2280 Fantasy Masterpieces (1966) 1 Marvel fantasy reprints begin 270 660 Sub-Mariner (1968) 29 Sub-Mariner vs. Hercules 90 144 Tales of Suspense 55 Third appearance of Mandarin 1200 1951 Tales of Suspense 73 Iron Man vs. Black Knight 330 721 Tales of Suspense 76 First appearance of Ultimo 330 525 Tales of Suspense 97 First appearance of Whiplash 300 575 Tales of Suspense 98 Captain America vs. Black Panther 300 535 Thor 161 Galactus vs. Ego battle concludes 150 275 X-Men 6 Sub-Mariner vs. X-Men 3900 9088 Scores adjusted 4/6/23

Thank you for all of the updates you've processed over the last few days Brian. Another tremendous job, it is much appreciated. Jon No problem, Sir. It is my pleasure,

Hi Brian In addition to the books in my previous post, could you also take a look at a couple of others where there have been recent sales in grades other than CGC 9.4 which suggest Registry points values have fallen behind current market trends: Fantastic Four Annual #2 - origin of Doctor Doom Recent GPA sales: 9.6 - $36000 - November 2021 9.0 - $4551 - September 2021 7.5 - $1875 - January 2022 Journey into Mystery #103 - first appearance of Enchantress and Executioner Recent GPA sales: 9.0 - $3720 - November 2021 8.5 - $2500 - June 2021 7.5 - $1325 - December 2021 Once again, thanks for considering. Scores adjusted 2/21/22

Scores adjusted 2/15/22 Once again, thank you for this comprehensive list, I really appreciate it. I have adjusted the scores to fall in line with other grades where possible. Hi Brian I'd like to request a few more reviews for Silver and Bronze books where Registry points have slipped behind current market trends. For convenience I've used the 9.4 grade as an indicator of market trends for specific books in order to compare current registry points with latest reported GPA sales prices as per the table below. Thanks for considering. Title # Significance of Book Current Registry Points for Universal 9.4 grade Most recent GPA for Universal 9.4 grade ($) Amazing Spider-man 51 Second appearance of Kingpin; first appearance on cover 1575 3105 Amazing Spider-man 55 Classic Doctor Octopus close up on cover 480 1034 Amazing Spider-man 66 Second Mysterio cover 390 840 Amazing Spider-man 74 Silvermane Petrified Tablet cover 390 1128 Amazing Spider-man 75 Classic cover; "death" of Silvermane 330 1080 Amazing Spider-man 80 Chameleon cover 330 660 Amazing Spider-man 101 First appearance of Morbius 2100 4500 Avengers 52 Black Panther joins Avengers; first Grim Reaper 300 660 Avengers 53 X-Men crossover 465 853 Avengers 62 First M'Baku (Man-Ape) 240 900 Captain America 110 Classic Steranko Cap vs. Hulk cover 495 1035 Captain America 111 Classic Steranko cover and "death" of Steve Rogers 300 1210 Captain America 113 Classic Steranko cover and Cap's funeral 300 1210 Captain America 119 Cap vs. Red Skull; Cosmic Cube "destroyed" 120 428 Captain America 126 Return of the Falcon 75 465 Captain Marvel 16 First new Captain Marvel in cameo 60 220 Daredevil 131 First appearance and origin of Bullseye 405 1150 Fantastic Four 19 First Rama-Tut (Kang) 3600 10200 Fantastic Four 36 First appearance of Medusa and Frightful Four 2025 4166 Fantastic Four Annual 3 Wedding of Reed and Sue 810 1600 Ghost Rider (1973) 1 First issue of own title 1500 2750 Incredible Hulk (1968) 102 First issue of own title since early sixties 1350 1995 Jungle Action 6 First appearance of Killmonger 300 1320 Marvel Team-Up 1 Spider-man team-ups begin in dedicated title 850 1250 Nick Fury (1968) 10 Hate Monger; scarce in higher grades 180 367 Silver Surfer 4 Silver Surfer vs. Thor 3825 9900 Sub-Mariner (1968) 19 First Sting Ray 120 575 Sub-Mariner (1968) 34 First Defenders story; Hulk & Silver Surfer crossover 390 1494 Thor 129 First Ares & Tana Nile 330 1020 Thor 148 First appearance of Wrecker & origin of Black Bolt commences 220 660 Thor 160 Galactus vs. Ego battle commences 400 690 Thor 162 Part origin of Galactus 200 626 Thor 189 Thor vs. Hela 90 165 X-Men 9 First X-Men vs. Avengers battle 3900 9088 X-Men 58 First Havok in costume 714 1190

"NOV" date stamp added immediately below #1 on front cover.

I agree that it feels a little incongruous that a few key comics can account for 50% or more of the total points value for a particular registry set. Nevertheless it is important the registry should, as the website states, reflect the scarcity, desirability and certified grade of each comic. Therefore I would not support the idea that there should be a scoring cap or particular comics should be completely excluded from the registry because of their extreme high value. As a long term collector and a collector of runs I am signed up to the notion that there should be some recognition of completion rates for particular sets. Some excellent suggestions have been put forward and there seems to be consensus that any change should be well publicised and simple to administer. If this were to be developed I would suggest the maximum completion bonus should be restricted to a percentage of the total value of each set, perhaps around 25%. One issue that doesn't appear to have been raised in this regard is the potential distorting effect of the same comic in different sets - and I confess that I do include the same comic in different sets myself. The existing rules are that if the same comic is entered in more than one set, its points are only counted once for the purpose of calculating Total Registry Points. The proposition of a completion percentage for different sets would therefore appear to create a loophole whereby the same comic in different sets would be credited as part of the completion bonus for each set, and therefore be aggregated into Total Registry Score. A radical, but no doubt deeply unpopular, solution would be to restrict each comic to being allowed a slot in one set only. However a concomitant benefit of this approach would be to prevent owners from using the same few comics to monopolise the top ranks in different, but similar, sets. To give an obvious example there are numerous sets which include Amazing Fantasy #15. Interested to know if fellow collectors have any thoughts on that suggestion? I also agree it is timely to recognise the desirability and generally higher prices commanded by comics from CGC recognised Pedigrees. Any change to the scoring methodology would also present an opportunity to adjust the algorithm to score Pedigree comics at the same premium as Signature Series comics.

Brilliant, thank you. I'm going to buy it.

Very interesting take on FF #48 from gunsmokin. Interested to know where that extract comes from, I'd like to read the full version.

Hi Matt Thank you for the recent updates you've done on review requests. To reiterate Gotham Kid's comments, it's great to have proactive administration of the Registry to ensure it continues to reflect the market. I'd like to request a few more reviews of Silver & Bronze Age books where Registry points have fallen behind current market values. The books listed below currently have significant or noteworthy disparities and once again I've used the 9.4 Universal Grade as a barometer of relative values for Registry points and latest reported GPA sale prices. I'd be grateful if you could take a look at these when you get opportunity. Many thanks. Jon Scores Updated. Thank you for the kind words Title # Significance of Book Current Registry Points for 9.4 Most recent GPA for 9.4 ($) Amazing Spider-man 42 Mary Jane's face revealed for first time 1000 1950 Amazing Spider-man 44 2nd Lizard and scarce in higher grades 990 1980 Amazing Spider-man 124 1st Man-Wolf 150 400 Avengers 47 1st appearance of Dane Whitman (new Black Knight) 315 780 Captain America 100 1st issue of own title in Silver Age 1300 1694 Captain America 117 Origin and 1st appearance of Falcon 1140 1560 Fantastic Four 5 Origin and 1st appearance of Dr. Doom 39000 44500 Fantastic Four 90 Scarce in higher grades 240 345 Fantastic Four 112 Classic Hulk vs. Thing battle issue 855 1140 Fantastic Four Annual 2 Full origin of Dr. Doom 2000 2623 Frankenstein (1973) 72 1st appearance of Marvel Frankenstein 220 377 Incredible Hulk 180 1st appearance of Wolverine in cameo 975 2000 Incredible Hulk Annual 1 Classic Steranko cover 440 775 Marvel Spotlight 2 Origin and 1st appearance of Werewolf by Night 690 1700 Marvel Super-Heroes 17 Origin of Black Knight and 1st Silver Age solo story 180 435 Marvel Super-Heroes 20 1st Dr. Doom solo story 165 610 Strange Tales 103 Very scarce in higher grades 2250 4250 Strange Tales 169 Origin and 1st appearance of Brother Voodoo 600 1050 Sub-Mariner 5 Origin and 1st appearance of Tiger Shark 330 1100 Tales of Suspense 50 1st Mandarin 2400 3000 X-Men 22 Scarce in higher grades 765 1600

Hi Mollie I should clarify in my post above that the first figure is current registry points for 9.4 Universal Grade and the second figure is latest GPA ($) for 9.4 Universal. Jon

Hi Mollie With the increased interest in first appearances and other noteworthy comics registry points on a number of Silver & Bronze Age books have fallen behind current market values. In a few instances the 'gap' is quite significant and there is also a good case for reviewing registry points on a number of other books. I've compiled a list of books where there is a current disparity and I've used the 9.4 Universal Grade as a barometer of relative values for registry points and latest reported GPA and set these out in the table below. The only exception is Avengers #43 where I have used the values for 9.6 Universal Grade because there is increased interest in the book across all grades but no recent reported 9.4 sale. Obviously GPA on these books will change over time but I believe recent increases in value are likely to be sustained into the future and therefore a review of registry points to reflect these market changes would be quite timely. When you get chance to look at this you can decide whether to make any points changes. Thanks for considering. Jon Scores updated. Amazing Spider-man 7 2nd Vulture 7500 10000 Amazing Spider-man 9 1st Electro 6600 10200 Amazing Spider-man 13 1st Mysterio 6600 10500 Amazing Spider-man 15 1st Kraven 4800 7501 Amazing Spider-man 28 1st Molten Man - black cover, scarce in high grade 6600 16500 Amazing Spider-man 31 1st Gwen Stacy, Harry Osborn & Prof. Warren 3900 6300 Amazing Spider-man 37 Intro Norman Osborn (by name) 1200 1850 Amazing Spider-man 39 1st Romita art in title 2250 3000 Amazing Spider-man 60 Black cover, scarce in high grade 600 2877 Amazing Spider-man 63 Black cover, scarce in high grade 630 4000 Amazing Spider-man 78 1st Prowler 330 875 Amazing Spider-man 129 1st Punisher 1800 2650 Astonishing Tales 25 1st Deathlok 160 425 Avengers 8 1st Kang 2175 3120 Avengers 9 1st Wonder Man 3150 5987 Avengers 16 1st major change of line-up; Hawkeye, Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch join 2175 3433 Avengers 43 1st Red Guardian 500 (9.6) 5040 (9.6) Avengers 48 1st New Black Knight (Dane Whitman) 315 1700 Captain Marvel 18 Carol Danvers gains powers 225 525 Eternals 1 1st Ikaris & Eternals 70 180 Fantastic Four 48 1st Galactus & Silver Surfer 6900 10750 Fantastic Four 49 2nd Galactus & Silver Surfer - 1st appearance on cover 2625 5850 Fantastic Four 65 1st Ronan & Kree Supreme Intelligence 630 2000 Fantastic Four 67 1st Him (warlock) 1242 2000 Fantastic Four 72 Classic Silver Surfer cover 675 1075 Fantastic Four Annual 6 1st Annihilus & birth of Franklin Richards 900 2400 Giant-Size X-Men 1 1st new X-Men 3315 4600 Incredible Hulk 2 1st green skinned Hulk 22500 32000 Journey into Mystery 89 Classic cover 4500 9000 Journey into Mystery 95 Thor vs. Thor; very scarce in high grade 3000 4780 Journey into Mystery 102 1st Sif, Balder & hela 1950 3350 Marvel Premiere 1 Origin Warlock & 1st time in own strip 600 1100 Mister Miracle 4 1st Big Barda 195 675 Silver Surfer 1 Origin & 1st issue of own title 3600 9000 Silver Surfer 3 1st Mephisto 1125 2063 Special Marvel Edition 15 1st Shang-Chi & Fu Manchu 480 1140 Strange Tales 135 1st Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD in own strip 1800 2423 Strange Tales 138 1st Eternity 405 1145 Strange Tales 158 1st Living Tribunal 360 1750 Tales of Suspense 57 1st Hawkeye 5100 7768 Thor 126 1st issue of own title & classic cover 2100 3840 Thor 134 1st High Evolutionary 280 2100 Thor 165 1st full appearance of Him (Warlock) 480 4000 Tomb of Dracula 10 1st Blade 1125 2458 X-Men 12 Origin Professor X & 1st Juggernaut 3600 5280

Ignore my previous post, I was having a bout of amnesia when I wrote it! Even though Don Heck did the art for the main Thor stories in JIM #s 98-100, Stan and Jack did the Tales of Asgard stories in those issues so I agree the continuous run is JIM #97 through to Thor #177 with #179 as a 'stand alone' final issue and then Stan and Jack also did the three Annuals; JIM Annual #1, Thor Annual #2 and Tales of Asgard #1.

Stan and Jack didn't do JIM #s 98-100, they had Don Heck art so their continuous run began in JIM #101 - and includes the two Annuals (JIM Annual #1 and Thor Annual #2). If we're talking about all Lee/ Kirby issues then Thor #179 should be included which was their last issue together after the one shot art by Buscema in #178 (while Kirby was drawing Silver Surfer #18).