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2 hours ago, dirtymartini1 said:
Does the artist owe you money or are you the Message board sheriff? Maybe we should go protest outside of Fugits house until we shame him into doing what you want. FUGIT, I want the apology to be in the form of a Haiku. It evokes more sincerity and thought. Get writing!
Sorry I also want you to give us 3 Our Fathers and a Hail Mary or you better now show your face around these parts again!
The guy goes by Fuggit...FUGGIT
No ones shaming Fuggit into anything I suspect.
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7 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:
Just to be clear, I only responded to his snotty comments. I wasn’t planning to continue.
That attitude, however, gives hobbyists a bad name. If artists think that sort of behavior is commonplace, prices for commissions will go up as artists have to include the risk of nonpayment in their pricing for commissions or just refuse them without prepayment. With prepayment comes the risk that the commission will get done “eventually”, or maybe never.As to that image, Purple Drank isn’t 100% of anything.
Rick I hear you but this is a one off. That one interaction going south is not representative of most commissions. My position is clear. A deal is a deal. I would eat a loss even if I didn’t love the finished product.
Ive always paid the artist before a single line was drawn. I don’t like to waste an artists time. I trust the artist maybe more than I should but it’s worked for me.
In Fuggits case, this transaction feels wonky from the get go. There’s more to the story then we’ve heard I suspect.
But the buyer who “stiffed” the artist goes by the name Fuggit....
FUGGIT
He got away with one, he doesn’t give a Fugg....
In a handshake deal one guy did the work, the guy who agreed to paying reneged. So I respect the artists opinion the most. Without a written contract an artist should collect at least 50% up front in my opinion. If upon presentation of the finished art the collector balks at paying the rest the artist keeps the up front money for time and effort.
Then he can sell that piece to another collector.Mr. Scott Williams Anything I would commission from you I would pay you up front. I would trust you would give me your best. If for some reason I wasn’t blown away, I would just give it time.
Thats the beauty of art. I think of Moebius, whose art I detested as a teenager. There are drawings I once loathed that today I would give ( insert any boardie name here but mine) a left ball to own one of those drawings today.
Art does that....images you don’t like when seen in a different frame of mind can be images you fall in love with.
And yes purple drank you ain’t all that !!!
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38 minutes ago, exitmusicblue said:
No one's dead !!!
We're all ghosts of the Rue De Morte
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1 hour ago, Rick2you2 said:
I am not an artist, and have virtually no artistic skills. But, I am a man of my word. Try it sometime.
And by the way, where is this piece from hell you keep complaining about? Or maybe you just decided you didn't want to spend $4,000 after ordering it, hmmm...?
Ok Rick lay off the guy. You want to see the art? There it is? You pay 4 K for that !!!
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4 hours ago, PhilipB2k17 said:
First, I was referring to "Batman" in the generic sense, not the "Title of the Comic" sense. But, still, is this a fair comp?
Sold for $31,000 a year ago. Are we expecting the #251 cover to go for 20 times that?
Some of us are yes
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41 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:
I don’t see that as an artist’s screw up at all. There are way too many stories of artists getting payment up front and then not performing. I don’t offer it, anymore, and would think hard about ever doing it again. I generally don’t get asked, either.
Mostly kidding Rick—screw up in that most artists take money before the commission. Artists would waste a lot of time working in commissions and then asking for money after completing the work. People change their minds at the drop of a hat.
in saying the artist screwed up I’m really telling the person who changed his mind on the four K piece got lucky.it usually doesn’t work that way.
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29 minutes ago, Rick2you2 said:
Why did you think it was super ugly? Did you approve preliminaries? I ask this because if it were well done, but you didn’t like the way it was posed or it “just didn’t seem right”, and if I were the artist, I would be pissed off, too. Were you able to articulate specifics to him so that the artist didn’t think he was being hosed? I am a fan, not an artist, but I am still curious about the whole situation.
The artist screwed up. Should have collected some earnest money up front. Fair point about “ugly”—- specifically where did the artist go wrong?
Hey cheers 4 K is a lot of dough and somehow you managed to see the finished product without being on the hook financially.
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2 hours ago, Bronty said:
I don't think you can assume that. Purchases big and small are all motivated differently.
You have to read my mind Bronty. You see I plan on winning the lottery and outbidding everyone. The reason I am sure it won't resurface is my will demands it be entombed with my body in a booby trapped tomb in an undisclosed location.
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4 hours ago, BCarter27 said:
Agreed. And as I mentioned in the other thread, I wouldn't want to be holding this piece past about $350K. I think there are better Marvel trophies to be had above that price point. But I think Heritage will game this out to the tune of $500-600K BP included.
The person that buys this won’t care in the least about price point now or how much they can sell it for 10-20 years from now. The person that buys this will have spent “Because I can” dollars.
You won’t see this cover for auction again in my lifetime or yours. Well at least in my life time.
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30 minutes ago, PhilipB2k17 said:
Any guesses on the 2000 AD #2 (First Judge Dredd 5 page story appearance)?
I'm a massive Dreddhead, so this is grail territory for me. But, how will this play ion a US comic art auction?
I wondered the same thing. For the history and the art it’s a once and a life time buy for the right collector. I love the artwork on this.
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2 hours ago, NamesJay said:
My guess is going to be $537,000
$605,000 with BP
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48 minutes ago, Bronty said:
I’ve had three commissions done so far. One was 700, one was 1600, one was 7k.
The $1600 job was professional and well done and I feel I got exactly what I paid for and was happy with the result. The $700 job, the artist went above and beyond and just nailed exactly what I wanted. The $7k job didn’t turn out the way I wanted. He put in the work and he tried to listen to what I wanted but in the end it was a swing and a miss.
You never know what you’re going to get and if they did the work, you take the bad with the good.
Great examples! It is Telling that 7 K produced the least satisfactory result for you. There’s a lesson in there.
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1 hour ago, Grendel72 said:
If you are gonna "out" him in the commission thread, then do you think you should first contact the artist and tell him/her your concerns and see if he does right by you I.e., redo the commission or partial refund etc. You could post the response by the artist if you want. For all we know the artist may believe it was a good commission.
Honestly I would reserve posts for thief artists that refuse to deliver art that’s paid for.
Its probably counterproductive to create a space for torching art work we loathe.
like you say artists usually hope we like what they create. As in life turning out sub par work should stop collectors from buying. Maybe the artists get the message and do better.
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47 minutes ago, dichotomy said:
I have a lot of feels about this topic. I love pursuing commissions and I put a lot of time and effort into them. But...
1. I can't draw at all. My artistic ability makes Tom King's sketches look like Frank Quitely work. So I have GREAT admiration for anyone who creates for a living. I approach every artist with this mindset. I do not bargain (and I greatly appreciate when the prices are clearly posted for all to see, whether on a website or a convention table). I do a lot of research, and I look at a lot of past work when I have the option.
2. I do not art direct. If we are having a conversation and an idea comes up organically that is different, but if it's over email or over a con table, I try to have a brief conversation to make sure our ideals are aligned and that there is, silly as it sounds, a 'good vibe'. The one time I ignored this feeling is the one time I got a commission not to my taste that I know I could have avoided. Similarly, I always try to have some CHOICES for the artist. I understand for some people the whole point is to get a certain character from a certain artist, and there is nothing wrong with that, but again, make sure it is a realistic ask. Challenge the artist in a good way, to see something in a new light. I can't even fathom the process by which an artist begins to form an image in their mind and then on paper - hokey as it may sound I try to make sure that the origin of that idea is something that flows well with the artist and works with THEIR process.
3. Not to beat a dead horse, but I will once again put @nexus up on a pedestal as the NEED and BENEFIT of a good rep. He mentioned in one of his podcasts that one of this jobs is to vet commissions. A fresh pair of eyes NEVER hurts a busy artist. Surely no artist worth their salt wants a bad representation of their work splashed around social media. A rep has a vested interest in making sure their clients are well represented AND that their customers are satisfied. And I've said this before, a good rep at a convention helps keep the work flow organized, makes sure the artist doesn't take on more than they can handle, and ensures there is a consistent level of work for price (to address the issue of a $700 commission vs a $100 sketch cover). Again, not all artists are fortunate enough to have good representation, and some artist do extremely well by themselves - but for all the complaints on this board, there's a rep for that.
4. If you get a commission that you don't absolutely love, you say thank you very much, pay the agreed upon amount, and leave. Come back to the commission later, spend some time with it. It may grow on you. And you may stick it in a portfolio and never look at it again. This is the hobby, the thrill and the disappointment of being a patron.
5. Naming is something that should be reserved for serial, confirmed offenders. All anyone in this hobby has is their reputation.
Happy collecting! I currently have 7 commissions out in the wild growing at various stages.
My convention sketches (https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerydetailsearch.asp?gcat=108264&ATy=8&pm=1&pi=18&order=Date) and commissions (https://www.comicartfans.com/gallerydetailsearch.asp?aty=2&gcat=108264). There are a couple that are second-hand. To date I have only received 1 (out of roughly 25) that I have not posted and just got rid of. Everything else went up as a representation of the artist's work. They may not all be auction busters, but they're mine dammit!
Very thoughtful post and a delight to absorb. Thank you
- Blastaar and The Lions Den
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On 10/24/2019 at 6:57 AM, vodou said:
No. Lots were all Chinese Knockoffs planted to disrupt. Or made-10minutes-ago transparencies. Russia!! Strikes!!! Again!!!!!
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20 minutes ago, vodou said:
I suggest the best approach is to to put these in the commission thread, naming the artist, price paid and showing a picture. Most of us can form our own opinions from there if what we see is what we'd expect from the amount of money paid and name paid to. And those that haven't delivered...same thing except a picture of a blank piece of paper instead of art. All stories get told this way, without blatant rancor.
Minus blatant rancor? With this band of merry troublemakers??? These crazed pranksters and mirth makers?
I think you are right, handle this in the commission thread? But chaos will surely reign
What do we put in the subject line?Commissions that smell like fresh A h•!€
or more subtleYou call that art????
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2 hours ago, Blastaar said:
Received a commission from a known talent and it just doesn’t look very good. Price was fairly minimal but nothing to throw out the window, $300. The concept was followed and it was turned in just a few moths, but the art and proportions are just off. I followed back up with him and just said “thank you very much, I appreciated the time and effort”. I won’t be displaying it and it will end up being stored away. Felt like I just tossed my money away. What’s the protocol? Roll the dice or send it back like an undercooked steak? I wanted to keep the relationship solid as I respect his work and perhaps might get another one and just voice that I would like it tightened up more.
I think you handled this disappointment with class.
Some artists deliberately draw a certain way based on what you pay them. $300 for this artists maybe they think they gave you what you paid for.
sometimes the artist gives you clues on what to expect. Showing you examples of previous work and sale price based on detail, number of characters and size.
I would do what you did and eat the loss. Find a piece (eBay or auction) close to what you were trying to get. Find a piece that’s quality and matches your desire. Pay up.
Then dump that crappy effort piece buried on the last sleeve in your portfolio on eBay Buy it Now $300.
Sorry for your disappointment. Go find something you love and buy it.
Best
🍇. 🦍
- Noob19 and The Lions Den
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4 minutes ago, Bird said:
You pay for the time and effort and a professional approach but you have to accept that not every drawing is a home run. File it away and move on. You can negotiate a refusal in your original contract (and I have on occasion) but I generally suck it up even in those circumstances.
Yeah art is subjective I would have a hard time coming back to an artist and telling him/her I didn’t like the art.
i would eat the loss. In fact my best ever results came from leaving it in the artists hands. I will pick the character but let them draw it however they please.
Talk about asking for disappointment. I’ve been lucky though.
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On 10/25/2019 at 3:44 PM, mxs7 said:
I can't go into detail at this time, but I am thrilled to report the Strange Tales 154 cover has been recovered. It appears all of the comic books have been recovered as well, although it will take some time to get a full accounting due to various circumstances. The Lone Ranger piece is still missing, but outside of that, the news is about as good as could be hoped for.
Mike
Oh Mike I’m so happy for you. What an ordeal.
Cheers
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Bob Layton is a pro. I asked him for a Dr. Doom. $100. He worked on it during a one day show and I collected it at the end of the day. It was tight and wonderful.
Rich Buckler another pro. My brother and I commissioned numerous pieces mailed back to us in reasonable amount of time. Wonderful detailed work.
I could handle getting back a disappointing effort. Like most of you I wouldn’t go back for more.
its a thrill to have a returned commission that matched or exceeded expectations. To get less than the artists best effort is a buzz kill.
You always hope the artist gives you his best. I cringe when I hear about months and years going by and a collector patiently waits for what he paid for and never gets.
What would be helpful? I understand reluctance to out a poor effort. But please name names on deadbeats to help the rest of us. There is no excuse for taking money and not getting the work done.
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2 hours ago, First Upgrade said:
If Mickey Rourke says the software is 💩 who am I to argue?
HA auction submissions
Jim Mooney Splash
in Original Comic Art
Posted · Edited by grapeape
Probably April of 1942. Volume 2 issue 6......In that issue Lightning battled the Eel.....I don't have the comic to confirm but....It's a beautiful Splash. I would think at least $9-15 K starting bid? I can't find price point data, past sales of similar. Contact Metropolis Comics on this one.
Used to be Flash Lightning but changed to Lash Lightning to avoid problems with The Flash. It's really a sweet splash. Below I believe is the comic the splash comes from. The entirety of art is credited to Jim Mooney for the Eel story art.