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For more on the subject, There is a museum dedicated this cr*p. https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/antiblack/ From the website: Racism As Commodity All of the objects in the Jim Crow Museum have market values. In 2011, there were more than 50,000 collectors of "Black Americana," a category that includes racist artifacts. Generally, the more racist an object is, the higher the price it commands. I wonder if they take donations?

Thank you.

I like that cover, but that's not where I was going. This is not intended as a "hate" thread at all. More like, "least likely to hold value". Think of it as the flip side of the other thread involving "most valuable" as "greatest". Example: Gene Colan's Daredevil. Collectible, absolutely. Good, yes. But why would a future generation buy it if they have no nostalgia for the artist? Candidate for slippage? Yup. Similarly, we seen quite a few comments about a certain barbarian's main artist, and the the prices on some of that work can definitely be higher. Is that likely to be rejected by future collectors who don't give a fig about sword-welders in loin cloth? Kids comic art doesn't typically carry a high price, so it isn't likely to suffer much. On the other hand, what about toy-based art for toys out of circulation (except to collectors)? What's likely to take the biggest plunge, or least likely to keep up with a pricier market?

And then, we have a little puppy like this one on eBay, which is likely to become collectible (with real value) precisely because it is so offensive. If you are wondering, Floor Covering Weekly is still being published, although I doubt they will be reprinting the ad.

Ah, but that's the point of this topic--naming names (and titles). Your judgment is what will make this fun.

This one is actually good, even though Batman must have superpowers to pull off that leg kick without falling down. But, I didn't say he was the one who will be worth least in the future. In terms of pricing, his JLA work will give him price protection. Who (or what subjects) won't hold value later?

Sticking purely to future worth, not aesthetics, I doubt Dillin will hold up well over time, but it won’t sink into the toilet, either. While I am not impressed with his work on titles such as JLA, I think his output on JLA will give him some price protection. Artwork that will suffer will be by artists like Jerry Grandinetti.

Tomatoes won’t fly from me, that’s for sure. I still can’t believe the predicted price of that X-men panel page by Byrne. Purely as an aesthetic, I’m underwhelmed, and I like a lot of what Byrne brings to the table. But estimates of $100,000? If that’s the market, then what is in the future bottom? That’s why I framed this topic as I did. Yet virtually unnoticed, some lovely Kaluta work has been bought and sold cheaply because it wasn’t fan fave work. So, since you raised the subject of Trimpe, where will he end up on the price spectrum in 20 years? My guess is, meh, but he’s not an artist of interest to me.

Even worse, as a third he might be called "little Dickie".

I agree with you, which was an indirect subject in the other thread, too. But just as that thread focused on value, let's continue in that vein.

Yea, too easy. I think I'll take out commissions as a fit subject. Let's stick to published pages, covers and strips. Not so sure we should include political cartoons or art from "Men's magazines" either, since they are also pretty dead and are likely to stay there (with some rare exceptions).

Okay, so the title is a little exaggerated. But after seeing the thread on the "Greatest OA in Existence", and how it involves what may be the most valuable works out there, I started to wonder what art would be least likely to appreciate, or even depreciate over the years. By artist, topic or subject matter, whatever comes to mind. For example, I can't see much of a future for old comic art from books involving old TV shows. Does anyone really want that page from Camp Runamuck, or old Car 54 art? Does poor old Sal join the ranks of the forgotten? Should Joe Jusko deserve a slot in the halls of infamy? And no, Phantom Stranger art does not make the list, but some of the Trinity of Sin art is real garbage. Otherwise, have fun. The more defamatory, the better. One last thing, skip the commissions and the like on eBay or elsewhere. Too easy.

In 5 years, maybe. In 20 years, no. In 1980, I bought a page from The Spirit newspaper insert by Will Eisner, with his Masthead on it, for all of $450. At the time, that was pretty good money for a page of art. That was also around when Adams covers were available for $200, and Sienk was trying to sell his New Mutants pages for about $50. Now, compare prices, and you will see that in terms sale pricing, the newer stuff has easily exceeded the price of Eisner’s Spirit work (although, it should be noted that a lot more of it became available after he died). That’s a serious problem with this hobby. While some classics will retain or grow in value, the mid and lower grade stuff that ordinary mortals buy is likely to drop in price as their owners drop. Some Byrne stuff is likely to hold or grow in value; it is classic. But I doubt it even for middle and lower tier pages.

Frankly, I don’t know how I could answer that question due to lack of information. To my way of thinking, covers are designed to sell comics. So, any cover on a book which produced the greatest increase in sales over the prior issue would be a candidate, as well as first issues which exceeded the average sales of comics in the prior month by the highest percentage. So, if sales jumped from AF 14 to 15, it could qualify. Now, how you find that info is anyone’s guess. Otherwise, the question is better framed as “most valuable.”

My problems with Comiconnect are mostly the lack of things they have had that I wanted to buy. Comiclink and Heritage have been better on that score. Also, the interface isn’t good. But, you found something you like a lot, and that’s the most important thing.

Times, and prices, have changed, I see.

Strange face. Reminds me of an animated chipmunk.

Which is why you could also call me Richard2you2, just like my mother, Mom2you2.

In the last year and a half, the price of this stuff has changed markedly for some pieces, and for others barely at all. With the pandemic ending, it's anybody's guess what will happen next. By way of example, lumber prices skyrocketted for a few months. Then in the last month, with production up, wholesale prices have dropped 50% as things get back to normal.We don't know if there will be an adjustment in the months to come for the high priced material, or if dealers and sellers will try to keep prices high and succeed. Not the best of times to dabble as a newbie. Think hard about the purpose of your purchase. If it is mostly decorative, buy something in that price range. Let someone else spend $20,000 for what most visitors will absolutely not appreciate. For example, Romitaman has been offering the following for a while, and although it isn't good girl art, it would certainly qualify as an interesting decorative piece in a playroom (or if you have a quirky sense of humor, the dining room) for all of $950. No stars, not a major publisher, but it will definitely attract attention.

If you don’t know what you are doing, do not buy a commission off of eBay. It can be dangerous to buy a cover, too, because there is a risk you are buying either a forgery or recreation. If you see the word acetate, run— it’s a cheesy copy. To find artists on your own can take work, but doable, and I’m not allowed to tell you the secret handshake (it’s a secret). I usually start with Google, ID the name, and then add the word artist, DC, or some such. Sometimes it leads me to a rep., other times it produces images or sites. Just follow the trail through Facebook, etc. If the artist regularly pairs with a penciller or inker, looking for one can sometimes find the other. Following a trail once led me to Instagram, but no reply— for 9 months. The artist didn’t use it very often. Another time it took years to find someone. You can also look for their convention appearances. That’s how I got Howard Chaykin to do a commission (he went to Terrificon). Think hard about what you intend for this piece. A lot of less well known artists can produce beautiful work, but they are not fan favorites so will not command as much money. Same with scenes not involving popular characters. They also won’t return much on sale unless you pick a true up and comer, and get a bit lucky. For reselling, the big names are Heritage Auctions and Comiclink, with Comic Connect close behind. Then you get to secondary auction houses, which can still have very good items but are not as well known, like Hakes and Russ Cochran. If you want more leads on anything, go to the Comic Art Fans website and dig in. That includes items for sale, items sold, dealers, etc.

“Torpedo”?

I think you should ask yourself what is it you like about the hobby? I go to lots of shows, but rarely buy from dealers there because most of their stock is on line (although some pieces are really better, or worse, when seen in-person). But, what isn’t on line are the artists who show up with their personal stashes of stuff they decide to sell, or artists doing commissions, or some reps and dealers who may have something coming up or not yet posted and from whom you can get first dibs on. Also, it’s simply fun to hang with these people and chat. One of my most memorable chats was with John Byrne in—ready—1980. Most artists love to discuss their work, and some tell great stories. You ought to hear Chaykin let it out when he feels comfortable. And, since you will be looking at piles of material, you never know when something pops up and surprises you. I never spend outsized money on this hobby because I won’t buy as an investment and don’t sell. So yea, go.

Is he the guy who has all the issues of Detective except no. 27?

Did he at least like small dogs and children?

Yup In that case, he's mellowed in the last 2 years, radically. Try taking a poke at the subject on Chaykin's Facebook page (the one fan page). See what happens.