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LordRahl
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Tony S reacted to a post in a topic: What do dealers pay for the keys?
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MAR1979 reacted to a post in a topic: Amazing Spider-Man #1 CGC 9.8 White Curator Copy
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Amazing Spider-Man #1 CGC 9.8 White Curator Copy
LordRahl replied to BigLeagueCHEW's topic in Comics General
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NewWorldOrder reacted to a post in a topic: ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC
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Yes, I do. 9.8's have defects, they are not perfect books. And I'm talking about legit 9.8's, not gift grade 9.8's which we all know are out there. If you are basing any analysis on data like this particular 238, and forming conclusions that books are suspect because you apparently don't know what a 9.8 could look like... well that's a problem.
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Gonzimodo reacted to a post in a topic: ASM #252 CGC 9.8 Record Sale - something fishy going on? - Holder Tampering Incident confirmed by CGC
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You're conflating two different things here. A mislabel which wasn't caught by QC and a book missing the MVS and that not being caught by the graders. In the former (a QC mislabel issue) the graders notes will identify that the book is missing the MVS. In the latter, CGC missed that the MVS is missing. The former happens with some regularity, the latter... well I'm not going to say it's never happened but the likelihood is extremely low.
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This probably did happen. There are 19 of them out there. Now imagine if you are correct and the numbers are 20x, 30x or whatever factor you want to use, greater. This would be happening a lot more. Sure, one instance (even 2 or 3 instances) may just not be believed by the general public but if it happened 20 times? My point is that it WOULD have happened 20 times or more if this is as big as some of the posts here are suggesting. This is how a lot of criminals get busted. They get greedy and stop flying under the radar. If he was doing this with a few ASM 300's and New Mutants 98's in 9.8 here and there, never would have been busted. No one is cracking 9.8's for a higher grade and there are so many high grade copies of those books, that no one is paying that close of attention to any particular one of them.
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I still don't think you get my point. My point is, in plain English... the more fraudulent books that are out there, the higher the chances of getting caught. If there were thousands of them out in the market, they would have been caught before now. The CPR part of my post is just justification for why people would crack a book, because cracking it would be necessary to figure out it's a fraudulent book. CPR has nothing to do with this guy's scam. But it does have something to do with catching said scam. I really don't think I can make it any clearer than that.
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I thought the CRP part of my post was relatively self-evident but I'll spell it out. IH 181, there are 19 on the list out of 350. That's 5.4% of the list. For those of you that believe this numbers in the thousands of fraudulent books... let's say what...5K? If the percentage holds, that would be 270 IH 181's that would be fraudulent. If there are 270 Qualified IH 181's out there sitting in Blue slabs, and this book is frequently CPR'd, you don't think someone would have stumbled on one of them by now when they cracked it and sent it in? That goes for every book on the list that isn't a 9.8, so far more than 270 total books. As for batches, yeah I think ASM 300's and 194's, he is sending in batched. There are simply too many for this to be a 1 at a time kind of thing. For the books that don't have that many examples, could very well be 1 at a time.
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You are correct in that I doubt CGC will make a statement on that. In my experience, and I've cracked a lot of books, it's somewhat dependent on the individual holder itself. Especially with the 1st gen holders. Some are extremely easy to open and leave no evidence of it (or very little if you are really looking) and others not so much. While I basically just completely destroy the current gen of slab when I break into them, I suspect the same will be true if using the methods described on youtube. Some will show little to no evidence and others will be obvious.