L.E. Gill

This stickered variant is fascinating to me because up until now we have only seen this particular DCU issue released as part of the slightly harder November 20 pack (brick). I have multiple confirmed examples of 20 packs which have substituted a Newsstand barcode when a DCU printed version was not available (as opposed to a stickered version) but never a 20 pack with a stickered version. This does lend credence to the possibility that a 2 pack containing Superboy #9 DCU may exist and I would love to see a sealed example, stickered or not. I'd also love to see a 20 pack with an obvious stickered edition included. Please share your 2 pack and 20 pack pics. I've updated the DC Collector's Set 2 pack Image Gallery with a handful of new sets and a few date corrections I've discovered between November and now. Nothing particularly groundbreaking just a couple of 2 packs, mostly of the non-DCU/ 2nd print variety, You can view it here,

Possible Variants Speculation for 1995, Part 2 (April through July 1995) Pretty sure I haven't missed anything for these months, but please tell me if I did. I'll follow up with the last half of 1995 when I can. You can view the post on January 1995-March 1995 here. 5 months in 1995 to go!

I would also like confirmation if anyone can confirm. My notes say it does but typically when I have one I don't own and I make a note it exists I add a link to my source with a photo or whatever it is for future reference. That I didn't move it into my rumored to exist tab makes me suspect I once saw a picture or something but it's possible I confused it with Robin #12 which I also do not have and that one does definitely exist.

Potential Undiscovered DCU (or other multipack UPC Variants) January - March 1995 Do you remember a few years ago back in this very same forum we thought we were done? We thought we had found ALL the possible DCUs. We were wrong. They are still out there. Ever since I posted two different sets of possible/potential multipacks of DCU or other UPC variant editions for 1996, I’ve been thinking a lot about 1995 as well. Since my initial speculation posts here on the forums. at least a couple of my potential/ undiscovered variants for 1996 have been discovered and proven to exist (such as Batman and Robin Adventures# 11 Bat Silhouette UPC, and Detective Comics #693). If you find something on my speculation list(s) and want to sell it, please give me a first shot at it! As before, I am primarily concentrating on those titles or issues that have at least one “known” DCU or multipack variant. Now that we know of the existence of several Milestone/Worlds Collide issues I will include those series for your consideration, even if a Worlds Collide crossover issue for that title has not been confirmed. Dates are based upon cover date, not publication date, which usually runs 2 months prior to the cover date. More to come after I double check all my source material.

Batman #515 DCU - Both a Deluxe & Non-Deluxe Version exists (one is embossed other is not) Batman #531 - Both a Deluxe & Non Deluxe Version Exists (I think both have glow in the dark features, one has Batman & Deadman back-to-back and the other looks more like they are fighting/facing each other) Detective #682 - Both a Deluxe & Non Deluxe Version Exists (one is embossed/ other is a DCU of the 'Newsstand issue') Flash #100 - Both a Deluxe & Non Deluxe Version Exists (one is foiled/ other is a DCU of the 'Newsstand issue') Green Lantern #81 - Both a Deluxe & Non Deluxe Version Exists (one is embossed/ other is a DCU of the 'Newsstand issue') Robin #14 - Both a Deluxe & Non Deluxe Version Probably Exists (one is embossed (DEFINITELY EXISTS)/ other is a DCU of the 'Newsstand issue' and it is on my list but I am trying to confirm) Superman: The Wedding Album #1 - Both a Deluxe & Non Deluxe Version Exists (one is the non-deluxe DCU that show Superman carrying Lois and the other is an all white cover with DCU logo on the back) Physically own all of the above except Flash #100 'Non-Deluxe/Newsstand" DCU and Robin #14 Newsstand DCU.

Last known source of Impulse #10 DCU existing is from a Comic Invest article circa 2017. That said, the same article claimed both Azrael #22 and Batman: Shadow of the Bat #38 existed as well (rare), and we have finally gotten some confirmation that these two issues do indeed exist. When I started getting back into and serious about DCUs I was almost positive I owned a copy of Impulse #10 DCU (but it turned out to be a Newsstand copy, alas). I do still believe this one is possible based upon the other 'Dead Heat' storyline issues such as Flash #109-#110 which exist but are relatively hard to find (I personally find #110 harder than #109).

I've had this one on my unofficial watch for list for a while (and if anyone has a copy for sale would be interested). I also have Batman Adventures #35 on my rumored to exist list, and I feel like visually the covers are similar enough that one could have been confused for the other. Can anyone confirm the existence of Batman Adventures #35? We know that BA #33 DCU exists (coincidentally released in the same "Best of '95" set that contained Impulse #3 that @archivist just posted a great picture of). We also know BA #36 DCU exists. We should probably all be on the lookout for a BA#34 DCU just in case.

I took some time last weekend to update the DC Collector's 2 Pack Image Gallery/ Spreadsheet with all the newer 2 packs I've found or documented, to include a slew of less exciting non-UPC variant packs (mostly Knightfall issues). As always, if you have any corrections, additional information, or images of 2 packs to share, please let me know! Of particular interest to me was finding two 2-packs containing bullet logo UPCs, the first examples I am aware of that show these were released on the 2 pack cards instead of just in the Target poly-bags (and the 20 pack brick). There's also another pack with Zero Hour logos, and confirmation that Power of Shazam #12 and Justice League Task Force #32 were paired together (gold card). You can view the image gallery here.

Agreed. My biggest concern is when contemplating sending a submission off to an independent pressing company along with your submission invoice under your CGC account and it getting charged a good while before your books would ever get sent in to CGC. I've never actually done it before but I had been considering it for a few books.

Thank you, that does clarify it a lot more. When it shows up in submission tracking is completely reasonable and logical to me!

Awesome, I posted about this one a while back. I found 2 copies back then, but does this make a third? Any idea how it was sold?

When everyone got logged out this week and had to accept terms of service, etc. I wanted to get clarification on one point. The terms made it sound that your credit card will now be billed upon submitting your invoice online, as opposed to when the order is officially received by CGC and charged when the actual work of pressing and/or grading commences. Can I get a confirmation on if that is the case moving forward, or am I reading it wrong? Thanks!

Are you thinking about BA #12? Because the September 1993 brick is the one with BA #12 in it. Seems like recent high sales were in the $450-$800 range for a sealed on on eBay but occasionally someone lists one that doesn't know what they have and they get scooped up for cheap. I managed to score a sealed brick for $85 and I know at least one got sold in February for less than $100 that I missed.

I think it depends on the month how much they tend to go for. I personally would pay a lot more for a November 1994 than a July 1994, for example, just because it's one I don't have sealed and it seems to not come up for sale as often. The November 1993 brick you are talking about is the first brick chronologically to contain any multipack variants in the form of a handful of the DC Bullet UPCs-- there are no DC Universe UPCs in that one I think that one has come up for sale at least 2 times on eBay in the last year, and went for around $50-75. I think if you can pick up a pack for $35 and under that has stuff you want in it you are probably getting a good deal. Upper range prices seem to be in the $200 range for bricks that have more desirable issues in them. Here's the contents of the one you are talking about (cut in case the lure of the unknown means you don't want spoilers):

Coming up on a weekend for everyone who has Friday off, here's another wall of books! Nothing new here. Don't think I shared this one when I posted the 9.4:

For anyone sending in DCUs/Zero Hour Logo books to be graded that don't pop up in the submission screen automatically and you have to manually add them-- most likely, they will not be correctly labeled unless you take a little extra action. As soon as your submission shows up in the submission tracker, double check to see which books are correctly marked as Multi-Pack Editions, and then send an email to submissions@cgc.com politely listing out the errors and request they be given to the graders. For me it was 100% correlated to which ones were already in the database versus ones I manually added. I also referenced the news release from September 2022 from CGC in my email. They responded quickly and got it 100% resolved. I think once more Multi-Packs are in their database it will become less and less an issue as the ones that were already available as multipacks came out correctly without my email. The good news is doing that meant all the Zero Hour books I sent in my last submission are now labeled, no mechanical error returns necessary. The bad news is whoever graded them hammered the entire batch of 50 comics I sent, lol. I am not really complaining, it was just a lot of 9.6s or 9.2s mostly. I still had a fair number of 9.8s but I am going to be interested to look more closely at some to see if I can figure out the reasoning because not a grader's note in the entire lot and a couple of the 9.2s are bewildering me. Generally I approve of strict grading, so.... A few of the submissions: https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4271497002/ Zero Hour #2 Zero Hour Logo https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4271497003/ Zero Hour #3 Zero Hour Logo https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4271497005/ Guy Gardner: Warrior #0 Zero Hour Logo https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4271497006/ Justice League America #0 Zero Hour Logo https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4271497007/ Wonder Woman #0 Zero Hour Logo

Yes, I think you're right about release date order. Since they aren't always the same month paired I'll probably go for whichever comic is on the front side of the pack to be consistent. I think that will let us get the most use out of visually inspecting the data set. One thing I did notice, of the packs that have price tags present, the only ones from K-Mart were gold backer cards, and none of the K-Mart releases had any of the round 'minimum value' type stickers, though there were a fair amount of those on the Toys-R-Us releases. It suggests to me that K-Mart may not have started stocking these until after 1994.

I started working on a spreadsheet/ image gallery for DC Collector's 2 Packs similar to the one I posted for 20 packs. Since @revat started this topic, boardies have discovered and shared over 75 unique DC Collector's 2 Packs with UPC variants. Yes, I really did go through all 100+ pages of this topic looking. There are two versions of the backing cards: the initial sets all had red accents and the later sets had gold. The switch was around January 1995; Superman #96 DCU is the only comic so far that was packaged in both styles. I've separated the different backing cards into tabs; the tab for 2 packs with no DCUs is still in progress. Shoutout to @onlyweaknesskryptonite who probably posted more examples of these than anyone else! If the only difference between sets was which of the two comics was on the front of the card versus the back, I've only included one example. If there are multiple sets with one comic the same and the other comic different, I've included all versions. For a while, I tried to put them in some kind of order that made sense but along the way I gave up and started sticking them in randomly. I'm sure I'll move them around someday. If anyone has corrections or has other sets, please share! You can find the 2 pack image gallery here.

In truth, I'm not sure that Superman 117 DCU was so much rarer in terms of production numbers as that it just wasn't released in the same way that other, 'less rare' DCUs were. After the 10/16/20 pack bricks were discontinued, it seemed that the 2 packs on cards are where we find a lot of the harder ones. We know from at least 1 example that GL #62 DCU came on a card backed with WW #96 DCU, which is a popular cover but not particularly hard to find in my opinion. I know we've never seen a May 1995 10 pack, but it makes a lot of sense that there could have been a 10 or 16 pack for this month. By my count, there are 17 known DCUs for May 1995, only 6 of which I have been able to confirm sources for (5 released on carded 2 packs, and Animaniacs #1 DCU released in a polybag w/ cassette and Animaniacs #10 DCU). That leaves 11 others, most of which are not impossible to find. The two rarest seem to be Adventures of Superman #523 and Shadow of the Bat #38. I know correlation does not equal causation, but given the recent auction where Shadow of the Bat #38 DCU and Azrael #22 DCU sold together it's possible those were paired together in a 2 pack. I'd quess Adventures of Superman #523 was the same. If anyone has 2 packs that include any DCUs from May 1995, I'd love to see them. I know about Superman #100/Man of Steel #44, Power of Shazam #3/Flash #110, Detective Comics #685/Robin #16 and Detective Comics #685/Detective Comics #694, and of course Green Lantern #62/ Wonder Woman #96. By November 1996, when the Final Night tie ins were dated, I suspect most of those DCUs were either intended for box sets that got scrapped and the comics liquidated, or ended up being sent out in those plastic two and three packs we've seen, like Pinky & the Brain WB Reading UPcs, Power of Shazam #17 DCU, and Aquaman #24 DCU (off the top of my head, I know there are others). There are enough confirmed UPC variants from November '96 that weren't released in a box set (so far as we know) and enough other non-DCU final night tie ins that there could have been tentative plans for another box set along the lines of the 8 count Zero Hour box. By my count, there were 6 Final Night DCUs that don't seem to have been released in a boxed set, like GL #80 DCU. It makes sense they might have printed it for the Final Night Boxed set and then swapped it out for the more thematic #81? There were 10 additional Final Night Tie In titles that we haven't seen a DCU of. If a Superman Final Night Tie in box had been planned, that would have been where Superman #117 DCU would have made the most sense.

Yes, it's definitely one you don't see as often in the wild, though it's funny how my definition of rare changes once I have a copy of something! By default, all the issues I still need are rarer than Superman 117 now. I do have an extra to trade if anyone finds something special off my want list.

Lol! I think you mostly need to worry about that when @onlyweaknesskryptonite posts, but you never know! I managed to send a large batch of books before CGC hiked their prices, and they are still coming back. Most weren't DCUs (I have to fund this DCU obsession somehow....) but I should have a few more good ones to post about. I also sent some promising Zero Hour UPCs in, though I am not sure if they will be labeled or not.

And a few more....

Some DCUs back from CGC today. It was hit or miss if they labeled them correctly as Multi-Pack Editions, despite my very specific invoices?

I'd love to buy Superboy #24 from you. I have a sealed copy courtesy of @onlyweaknesskryptonite but would like to buy this one. PM me with your ask?

You have killed me dead. Work has been so busy this month I cannot believe I missed all of these. I usually check eBay daily but have slacked off. On the upside, it's excellent evidence that HOLY #$%^&*() Azrael #22 DCU does exist.