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You and I read Paul very differently.

 

He isn't insisting on his own deity. He's force feeding it down the people's throats so they tire of him more quickly.

 

I look forward to seeing, most of all, if your perceptions of Paul change any.

 

The phrase that you quote, reread the first two sentences.

 

I liked your statement, "this moment will pass, his life is finite." It comforts me in the real world, but in the Dune universe has much less meaning.

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The bellyful bit's that potential too little too late moral awakening that makes things vague & interesting.

 

The characters & narration prepare the reader for Paul's death to this point. I'll be vigilant of Dune time, however...

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What I mean is, the characters & narrator behave as though Paul's mortal VIZ Paul wears a personal shield & hides in a well guarded cave, Stilgar by his side.

 

This seems to set-up a dying god scenario.

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I liked your statement, "this moment will pass, his life is infinite." It comforts me in the real world, but in the Dune universe has much less meaning.

 

Finite :gossip:

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The lesson I learned from that was, when reading Martin, do not under any circumstances get emotionally invested in any of the characters.

 

Absolutely. They are literary cannon fodder. This is the most common criticism of him.

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The lesson I learned from that was, when reading Martin, do not under any circumstances get emotionally invested in any of the characters.

 

Absolutely. They are literary cannon fodder. This is the most common criticism of him.

 

The second most common criticism must be: "Never write an entire novel about the Maid of Tarth."

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What I mean is, the characters & narrator behave as though Paul's mortal VIZ Paul wears a personal shield & hides in a well guarded cave, Stilgar by his side.

 

This seems to set-up a dying god scenario.

 

Oh no, your second sentence was crystal clear.

 

I have no idea what code that first sentence is in.

 

I've read it five or six times. Maybe it's me. lol

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I liked your statement, "this moment will pass, his life is infinite." It comforts me in the real world, but in the Dune universe has much less meaning.

 

Finite :gossip:

 

:D

 

Now make sense of you decoder ring cereal box sentence.

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What I mean is, the characters & narrator behave as though Paul's mortal VIZ Paul wears a personal shield & hides in a well guarded cave, Stilgar by his side.

 

This seems to set-up a dying god scenario.

 

Oh no, your second sentence was crystal clear.

 

I have no idea what code that first sentence is in.

 

I've read it five or six times. Maybe it's me. lol

 

Through at least 80% of Messiah, Paul behaves like a mortal & the other characters consider him mortal.

 

Illustration of the former: Paul desires an heir to his throne because he anticipates his own death.

 

Illustration of the latter: the conspiracy appears to be trying to kill Paul.

 

Paul is mortal & acts like it. This religion worships a mortal god.

 

Is immortality essential to divinity? I don't know what Dune says, yet.

 

I do know Paul claims eternity is right now when he looks at Chani with blind eyes.

 

BTW, the Paul /Chani love story is convincing in this book.

 

 

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Is immortality essential to divinity? I don't know what Dune says, yet.

 

 

 

This is a great fundamental question for life as we know it. Human religions have arrived at differing views.

 

I would say that the Dune answer is yes, no and maybe all at once. Religion is such a delicious stew in the series.

 

I'm only fifty pages back into Dune but I love the little touches. "Orange Catholic Bible", "ZenSunni" and of course, the blue eyed devils.

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And I would still argue, mortal- maybe, but with definitive supernatural power.

 

How do you explain a man who embodies so many specific prophesies? And how do you explain a man who accomplishes what he does, for example, drinking the water of life?

 

Fascinating.

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Newshane, if you could, Tup is reading these books for the first time.

 

He is currently on Messiah, so Dune is fair game.

 

You are spoiling delicious fruits yet to come for him.

 

Would you please delete your post and refrain in the future?

 

 

Stick around. Your insights interest me.

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Newshane, if you could, Tup is reading these books for the first time.

 

He is currently on Messiah, so Dune is fair game.

 

You are spoiling delicious fruits yet to come for him.

 

Would you please delete your post and refrain in the future?

 

 

Stick around. Your insights interest me.

 

No problem! I enjoy the topic. Thanks for the direction.

 

-S

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Newshane, if you could, Tup is reading these books for the first time.

 

He is currently on Messiah, so Dune is fair game.

 

You are spoiling delicious fruits yet to come for him.

 

Would you please delete your post and refrain in the future?

 

 

Stick around. Your insights interest me.

 

No problem! I enjoy the topic. Thanks for the direction.

 

-S

 

Thanks.

 

Also, I agreed with both of your statements. :D

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You guys are focusing on the spiritual/religious aspects, and it is there in droves.

 

But the book is chock full of archetypes, especially those surrounding western civilization.

 

How would you assign the Houses?

 

For example:

 

House Atreides - England, Ancient Greece?

 

House Harkonnen - Germany?

 

Arrakis - Middle East?

 

1 House Atreides

2 Boro family

3 House Corrino

4 House Ecaz

5 House Fenring

6 House Hagal

7 House Ginaz

8 House Harkonnen

9 House Moritani

10 House Mutelli

11 House Novebruns

12 House Ordos

13 House Richese

14 House Taligari

15 House Vernius

 

Also Mentats, Bene Gesserit and the Spacing Guild as analogues to contemporary Science vs Religion issues?

 

The prohibition of sentient machines.

 

 

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