Brave and the Bold #28 Club 7 7

[Aman619]

Here's my entry to the club. It's in a CGC Blue Labeled 7.5 with WHITE pages.

It's easy to pick up a 9.2,9.4 copy but try finding a copy with White pages ().

 

hey Bob, there's something strange about your copy. Is it the scan or are the letters "AMERICA" really gray on your copy? And look at Jonn Jonnz cape, is it also grey? no blue at all?

 

I dont have a copy handy, but I seem to recall the letters being just CYAN/blue, without any black/grey plate at all.

 

We discussed this a few pages ago...it's definitely missing the blues. I also posted a book that was missing blue and had weak reds. Looks like the guy watching the printing occasionally took a coffee break.

 

 

 

 

I was there... read all that. What I meant was that while theres too little blue, I dont get why theres grey underneath the blue, especially in the logo. Thats a bright blue, almost 100 cyan. Your copy shows a mid grey. Almost like the grey was printed INSTEAD of the blue.

 

THAT would be exceptional. Thats what Im getting at. unless its just a scan issue.

 

Hmmm...I see what you're saying. Maybe early in the print run and then they noticed they missed the blue? I think we need someone who's an expert on how printing worked back then. I really have no clue.

 

So maybe I have what they call a First Day issue in the coin world ?!? Seriously, it's an interesting theory. The book is in a Bank Vault so I cannot state for sure if it is a scan issue.

I'll verify on my next visit to the Vault.

 

well, I finally took a close look at my copy. And Ive solved the mystery as far as my questions were concerned. I still cant explain why your copy looks grey though. Im leaning on the bad scan solution though.

 

But what I discovered is that the cyan/blue that DC used in 1960 was a darker richer cyan ink than what is used today. As such, the blue areas we see on BB28 are 100% cyan with NO black/grey ink nor magenta at all. Jon Jonzz cape, boots, pants, WWs hot pants, the word AMERICA are all just cyan. GLS greens and Aquamans pants are 100 cyan/100 yellow. No grey. The sky is all a cyan tint, no black ink. Starro's center star (around the magenta circles is a tint of just black. The rest of Starro is black and cyan tints.

 

So, there's NO black/grey in any of the areas that are blue on all other copies. So your copy is either a special run (I highly doubt it) or just a bad scan probably from the scanner settings. Maybe a light is out?

 

If you ever get to your vault and take a close look, Im still curious why yours appears grey though. Nice copy too!

 

[JohnT]

Here's my entry to the club. It's in a CGC Blue Labeled 7.5 with WHITE pages.

It's easy to pick up a 9.2,9.4 copy but try finding a copy with White pages ().

 

hey Bob, there's something strange about your copy. Is it the scan or are the letters "AMERICA" really gray on your copy? And look at Jonn Jonnz cape, is it also grey? no blue at all?

 

I dont have a copy handy, but I seem to recall the letters being just CYAN/blue, without any black/grey plate at all.

 

We discussed this a few pages ago...it's definitely missing the blues. I also posted a book that was missing blue and had weak reds. Looks like the guy watching the printing occasionally took a coffee break.

 

 

 

 

I was there... read all that. What I meant was that while theres too little blue, I dont get why theres grey underneath the blue, especially in the logo. Thats a bright blue, almost 100 cyan. Your copy shows a mid grey. Almost like the grey was printed INSTEAD of the blue.

 

THAT would be exceptional. Thats what Im getting at. unless its just a scan issue.

 

Hmmm...I see what you're saying. Maybe early in the print run and then they noticed they missed the blue? I think we need someone who's an expert on how printing worked back then. I really have no clue.

 

So maybe I have what they call a First Day issue in the coin world ?!? Seriously, it's an interesting theory. The book is in a Bank Vault so I cannot state for sure if it is a scan issue.

I'll verify on my next visit to the Vault.

 

well, I finally took a close look at my copy. And Ive solved the mystery as far as my questions were concerned. I still cant explain why your copy looks grey though. Im leaning on the bad scan solution though.

 

But what I discovered is that the cyan/blue that DC used in 1960 was a darker richer cyan ink than what is used today. As such, the blue areas we see on BB28 are 100% cyan with NO black/grey ink nor magenta at all. Jon Jonzz cape, boots, pants, WWs hot pants, the word AMERICA are all just cyan. GLS greens and Aquamans pants are 100 cyan/100 yellow. No grey. The sky is all a cyan tint, no black ink. Starro's center star (around the magenta circles is a tint of just black. The rest of Starro is black and cyan tints.

 

So, there's NO black/grey in any of the areas that are blue on all other copies. So your copy is either a special run (I highly doubt it) or just a bad scan probably from the scanner settings. Maybe a light is out?

 

If you ever get to your vault and take a close look, Im still curious why yours appears grey though. Nice copy too!

 

Interesting reading, at least the parts I understand.

 

 

[JohnT]

Here's my entry into the club. I'm currently the only member of the purple club? :shrug: I think the book looks better than a Fine, but I was/am upset about the trimming. Bought when I couldn't tell restoration (bought back in 1989).

 

 

Nice looking book. It does look better than 6.0. I've never understood the "apparent" designation. Shouldn't that be purely what it would grade if it didn't have resto? But it seems like they also dock the book for the resto sometimes.

[tth2]

Here's my entry into the club. I'm currently the only member of the purple club? :shrug: I think the book looks better than a Fine, but I was/am upset about the trimming. Bought when I couldn't tell restoration (bought back in 1989).

Bummer, Jeff. But I bet the book is still worth more today, even as a trimmed PLOD, than what you paid 20 years ago.

 

Do you remember who you bought it from?

[Jeffreykli]

Yeah, I bought the BB 28 and an ASM 50 from one a LCS in the LA area. They had just gotten a collection in with both books, and both had slight CT. The ASM was graded slight professional CT, Apparent 9.4. It's an absolutely beautiful book. I paid $1500 cash for both, so it's taken quite some time to get my value back.

 

The problem is that I can't justify buying another copy of this book, so it'll have to do for my collection. At least I'm in the club; as you know, I'm a JLA fan.

[piper]

Anyone know of any copies in the VG to VG/F range for sale?

[Bomber-Bob]

Here's my entry to the club. It's in a CGC Blue Labeled 7.5 with WHITE pages.

It's easy to pick up a 9.2,9.4 copy but try finding a copy with White pages ().

 

hey Bob, there's something strange about your copy. Is it the scan or are the letters "AMERICA" really gray on your copy? And look at Jonn Jonnz cape, is it also grey? no blue at all?

 

I dont have a copy handy, but I seem to recall the letters being just CYAN/blue, without any black/grey plate at all.

 

We discussed this a few pages ago...it's definitely missing the blues. I also posted a book that was missing blue and had weak reds. Looks like the guy watching the printing occasionally took a coffee break.

 

 

 

 

I was there... read all that. What I meant was that while theres too little blue, I dont get why theres grey underneath the blue, especially in the logo. Thats a bright blue, almost 100 cyan. Your copy shows a mid grey. Almost like the grey was printed INSTEAD of the blue.

 

THAT would be exceptional. Thats what Im getting at. unless its just a scan issue.

 

Hmmm...I see what you're saying. Maybe early in the print run and then they noticed they missed the blue? I think we need someone who's an expert on how printing worked back then. I really have no clue.

 

So maybe I have what they call a First Day issue in the coin world ?!? Seriously, it's an interesting theory. The book is in a Bank Vault so I cannot state for sure if it is a scan issue.

I'll verify on my next visit to the Vault.

 

well, I finally took a close look at my copy. And Ive solved the mystery as far as my questions were concerned. I still cant explain why your copy looks grey though. Im leaning on the bad scan solution though.

 

But what I discovered is that the cyan/blue that DC used in 1960 was a darker richer cyan ink than what is used today. As such, the blue areas we see on BB28 are 100% cyan with NO black/grey ink nor magenta at all. Jon Jonzz cape, boots, pants, WWs hot pants, the word AMERICA are all just cyan. GLS greens and Aquamans pants are 100 cyan/100 yellow. No grey. The sky is all a cyan tint, no black ink. Starro's center star (around the magenta circles is a tint of just black. The rest of Starro is black and cyan tints.

 

So, there's NO black/grey in any of the areas that are blue on all other copies. So your copy is either a special run (I highly doubt it) or just a bad scan probably from the scanner settings. Maybe a light is out?

 

If you ever get to your vault and take a close look, Im still curious why yours appears grey though. Nice copy too!

 

News Flash. I found an old digital pic of this same book and the Blues are there.

I have no idea how this happened on my scan. I thought maybe it was a Photobucket issue but it was not. Stupid question but if my CYAN ink levels are low will this affect a scan, otherwise I never play with the color on a scan.

[JohnT]

(thumbs u

[tth2]

News Flash. I found an old digital pic of this same book and the Blues are there.

I have no idea how this happened on my scan. I thought maybe it was a Photobucket issue but it was not. Stupid question but if my CYAN ink levels are low will this affect a scan, otherwise I never play with the color on a scan.

So after all the detailed description about inks and colors in the printing process, it turns out it was just a scanning issue.

[MstrTech]

News Flash. I found an old digital pic of this same book and the Blues are there.

I have no idea how this happened on my scan. I thought maybe it was a Photobucket issue but it was not. Stupid question but if my CYAN ink levels are low will this affect a scan, otherwise I never play with the color on a scan.

So after all the detailed description about inks and colors in the printing process, it turns out it was just a scanning issue.

 

 

 

(thumbs u

Andrew

 

P.S. Liked all the CSI style explanations though.

[JohnT]

News Flash. I found an old digital pic of this same book and the Blues are there.

I have no idea how this happened on my scan. I thought maybe it was a Photobucket issue but it was not. Stupid question but if my CYAN ink levels are low will this affect a scan, otherwise I never play with the color on a scan.

So after all the detailed description about inks and colors in the printing process, it turns out it was just a scanning issue.

 

 

 

(thumbs u

Andrew

 

P.S. Liked all the CSI style explanations though.

 

Aman had it figured out. He said it had to be a bad scan. (thumbs u

[Duffman_Comics]

Ooh Yeah - a club that'll have me as a member!!

 

Here is the bad boy - as you can see I love low hanging fruit. Not that there was a huge selection available here when I bought it. Also (for the sheer helluvit) are the other two books in the unholy three.

 

The #30 has what is always referred to as a "subscription crease" but I would argue far more of these creases were incurred as a result of the "fold it double and jam it in the back pocket" experience.

 

 

 

 

I like threads like these - makes me retrieve the books I've had for yonks and actually take another look at them after decades.

[dcmannn]

What beautiful books. To me the B&B 28 has always been the be all end all Big Kahuna since I was 11, FF 1 be d@#$%d. I have one in a restored VF, but I'm still not too old to be looking for one in that condition, only unrestored. I just had to throw my 10 cents in.

[MstrTech]

What beautiful books. To me the B&B 28 has always been the be all end all Big Kahuna since I was 11, FF 1 be d@#$%d. I have one in a restored VF, but I'm still not too old to be looking for one in that condition, only unrestored. I just had to throw my 10 cents in.

 

WTTB

 

Good to have another JLA Fan. Post a picture of yours if you have one.

 

(thumbs u

Andrew

[JohnT]

Ooh Yeah - a club that'll have me as a member!!

 

Here is the bad boy - as you can see I love low hanging fruit. Not that there was a huge selection available here when I bought it. Also (for the sheer helluvit) are the other two books in the unholy three.

 

The #30 has what is always referred to as a "subscription crease" but I would argue far more of these creases were incurred as a result of the "fold it double and jam it in the back pocket" experience.

 

 

 

 

I like threads like these - makes me retrieve the books I've had for yonks and actually take another look at them after decades.

 

That's a nice 28, Duffman. I'd say you're a club member in good standing!

[JohnT]

What beautiful books. To me the B&B 28 has always been the be all end all Big Kahuna since I was 11, FF 1 be d@#$%d. I have one in a restored VF, but I'm still not too old to be looking for one in that condition, only unrestored. I just had to throw my 10 cents in.

 

Welcome to the club and by all means post a scan!

[G.A.tor]

any guesses as to what a nice VF/NM 9.0 ow page copy will bring in today's market... I have my thoughts, curious others

[Flash105]

12K

[Hedge Collector]

any guesses as to what a nice VF/NM 9.0 ow page copy will bring in today's market... I have my thoughts, curious others

 

CL's august auction had one in cr/ow closing at $21k.

 

http://www.comiclink.com/search_adv.asp?all=y&TITLE=brave+bold&TITLEOPT=ALL&ISSUE=28&Condition=&ConditionTo=&CensusRank=&SearchPageQuality=&Pedigree=&PRICEF=&PRICET=&DESCRIPTION=&DESCRIPTIONOPT=ALL&SearchRemarks=&SearchCGC=&EXCLUDE=&CATEGORIES=-1&WCATEGORIES=-1&SORT=CATEG&_where_forsale=y&_where_auctions=y&x=0&y=0&where_forsale=y

[Flash105]

OK.... revised 20,990.00