Bluemedgroup Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 58 minutes ago, Mmehdy said: I think ultra high grade SA books prior to 1966 will retain value, the in-between books could suffer some price correction. Some SA books immune like FF1.FF5, AAN1, AF 15 SM 1, 2, 7 etc. I think 1965 or to some extent 1964 would be the cut-off year, yes 1968 was a great year....again buy what you can afford in the best grade possible unrestored with excellent page quality. What’s AAN1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemedgroup Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 10 hours ago, PKJ said: Current trajectory, no I do not think it sustains, I also not think it drops to pre 2017 or so prices either. Some of these are the new norm. A lot of this current MCU hype was talked about in 2019 and we did not see the spikes like we are seeing now. I have seen just too many Xmen 1's at shows to believe that if they start coming out in volume they hold up, but I certainly can be wrong. I posted about trying to Buy that Xmen 1 from HA via buy from owner, he had a buy it now for 8k, I took it, he changed it to 9242 as soon as I submitted the purchase. What I notice now is my 8k offer (which was above market then) is still his highest offer. At some point it will be 9k I assume. Of the bigger keys that is one I do not own, nor never have, always ignored it myself since I grew up with the GSXM 1 as being the key book for us, now that I had planned on grabbing one it is on fire. My focus will be on filling Fantastic Four books I don't have since they are not the flavor of the month. I kept thinking the same thing about ASM300 this past year. I find it hard to believe that 9.8’s are going for $4k+. Seriously, It’s only the most graded book in CGC history and you can find them at LCS all the time. Yet somehow it holds up just like X-men 1 price will continue to hold up. The comic world is a strange beast. PKJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dikran Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Does scarcity even matter in comics anymore? There are rare GA comics (western, cartoon...) that haven’t budged in value in 20 years and moderns that are everywhere seeing exponential growth. Pop culture relevance plays a much bigger role, and X-men have been pop culture relevant pretty much since Spider-Man and his amazing friends from the 80s. Of course a Disney produced FF movie could change everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Bluemedgroup said: What’s AAN1? BlowUpTheMoon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCOComics Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, dikran1 said: Does scarcity even matter in comics anymore? There are rare GA comics (western, cartoon...) that haven’t budged in value in 20 years and moderns that are everywhere seeing exponential growth. Pop culture relevance plays a much bigger role, and X-men have been pop culture relevant pretty much since Spider-Man and his amazing friends from the 80s. Of course a Disney produced FF movie could change everything... It's all relative I suppose. The market is driven by supply and demand. There is great demand for Action comics 1, but minimum supply, which is why it will cost 6 to 7 figures. While there is a ton of demand for ASM300, there is also a ton of supply. I feel like there is a limited enough supply in SA to sustain a market correction. But I'm not sure ASM300 can maintain these prices. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sold my only copy this year and put it towards a SA key thedude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemedgroup Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 hours ago, dikran1 said: Does scarcity even matter in comics anymore? There are rare GA comics (western, cartoon...) that haven’t budged in value in 20 years and moderns that are everywhere seeing exponential growth. Pop culture relevance plays a much bigger role, and X-men have been pop culture relevant pretty much since Spider-Man and his amazing friends from the 80s. Of course a Disney produced FF movie could change everything... Scarcity matters, but there is dwindling demand for GA comics like the 8-track collector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post october Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Bluemedgroup said: Scarcity matters, but there is dwindling demand for GA comics like the 8-track collector. You are looking at the wrong golden age comics. KCOComics, piper, Jasonmorris1000000 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemedgroup Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, october said: You are looking at the wrong golden age comics. 💯 agree. But myself being 40+ years old and like the majority of collectors out there right now, golden age isn’t really relevant to us. There’s a webpage that tracks most watched CGC books on eBay, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GA book there. But yes, absolutely there’s plenty of GA books out there you can make a killing one, but it’s becoming the way of the standard transmission. And don’t get me wrong, my first car was a 4 speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funnybooks Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bluemedgroup said: 💯 agree. But myself being 40+ years old and like the majority of collectors out there right now, golden age isn’t really relevant to us. There’s a webpage that tracks most watched CGC books on eBay, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GA book there. But yes, absolutely there’s plenty of GA books out there you can make a killing one, but it’s becoming the way of the standard transmission. And don’t get me wrong, my first car was a 4 speed. I'll respectfully disagree. I do agree that most collectors are probably silver/bronze and modern collectors but that does not necessarily equate into golden age books being irrelevant. I'm in the age group that you mentioned and I have moved away from silver and bronze for the most part and many of my friends have as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Bluemedgroup said: Scarcity matters, but there is dwindling demand for GA comics like the 8-track collector. I half-agree with this statement. Without having examined the data, just going by anecdotal observation I do think there's reason to believe that interest is declining in GA books that don't feature characters still well-known in the pop culture of today. But interest is going to remain strong in GA books with lasting cultural relevance (Superman, Batman, etc.) as well as a handful of other key books that are collected primarily for their classic covers. RetiredOldMan, Funnybooks and Jasonmorris1000000 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dikran Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I’m an avid GA Disney Duck collector but they are still relevant as long time pop culture icons but Andy Panda or other random funny animals, I could give 2 poops about... So again, cultural relevance is still the driving force, if they hadn’t revived Ducktales a couple years back nobody would care about Scrooge et al. or Carl Barks today. You probably need a combo of scarce and relevance that transcends generations to really hit that grand slam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bronze johnny Posted January 30, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Bluemedgroup said: 💯 agree. But myself being 40+ years old and like the majority of collectors out there right now, golden age isn’t really relevant to us. There’s a webpage that tracks most watched CGC books on eBay, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GA book there. But yes, absolutely there’s plenty of GA books out there you can make a killing one, but it’s becoming the way of the standard transmission. And don’t get me wrong, my first car was a 4 speed. Growing up as a reader and collector of Marvel Comics in the Bronze Age took me back to the Silver Age where Kirby, Ditko, Steranko, and Buscema, had incredible contemporaries over at DC Comics. Artists like Infantino, Swan, Anderson, Heath, Kubert, Gil Kane, Premiani, and Moriera, provided incredible artwork during the beginnings of the Silver Age that started 5 years before Marvel and gave us classics throughout the 1960s. Collectors like myself learned about the eras that preceded the Silver Age and the challenges the comic book industry had during the early to mid 1950s once Wertham’s book was published. The Atomic Age precode era focused more on the crime, romance, horror, and Sci Fi genres as America entered the postwar Cold War era with new fears and anxieties. Atomic Age (1946-1956) classic works expressed these fears and anxieties in works by Baily, Elias, Nostrand, Craig, Cameron, Kurtzman, Feldstein, Frazetta (before his work with Warren), Ingels, Wood, Matt Fox, Doolin, Musial, Maneely, Morales, Baker, Battefield, L.B. Cole, and Jack Cole. Stories told by EC Comics, including Krigstein’s classic in Impact #1 are among the best ever written for the comic book medium. The works of these masters don’t exist in an exclusive Silver Age collection. The superheroes that had helped America win the war had a secondary role during the postwar era. Fawcett ended Captain Marvel while DC Comics retired the Flash, and Green Lantern. Still, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel Jr., Captain America, Human Torch, Submariner, Green Lantern and the Flash caught the collecting attention of many evolving collectors like myself and we proverbially travelled further back to the Golden Age in all its glory. We advanced to a new collecting adventure. The artists during that era did amazing stuff. You won’t find the incredible Golden Age (1938-1945) artwork of Schomberg, Fine, Crandall, Eisner, Raboy, Everett (Timely for Golden Age) & and Atlas during Atomic Age), Binder, Gil Fox, Zolneriwich, Schuster, Burnley, Beck, and Biro in the Silver Age. The Silver Age is a great time for comic books but it’s not the only period of greatness for this hobby. Collecting Golden Age books isn’t primarily about “making a killing,” especially the collectors I know. Venues like eBay don’t tell the whole story about the buying and selling of Golden Age comics and for that matter, Atomic Age books. Finally, having an understanding about the great comic book eras preceding the Silver Age can provide a better perspective about the second great age of the superhero. It can also give greater insight into this hobby overall. Bluemedgroup, KCOComics, Drummy and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicdonna Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Funnybooks said: 2 hours ago, Bluemedgroup said: 💯 agree. But myself being 40+ years old and like the majority of collectors out there right now, golden age isn’t really relevant to us. There’s a webpage that tracks most watched CGC books on eBay, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GA book there. But yes, absolutely there’s plenty of GA books out there you can make a killing one, but it’s becoming the way of the standard transmission. And don’t get me wrong, my first car was a 4 speed. I'll respectfully disagree. I do agree that most collectors are probably silver/bronze and modern collectors but that does not necessarily equate into golden age books being irrelevant. I'm in the age group that you mentioned and I have moved away from silver and bronze for the most part and many of my friends have as well. I used to be strictly GA. 10 years or so ago, I won best golden age set in the registry. These days GA is too expensive for me. To replace the books I once had would cost me 3 times as much money. Now, I collect SA and a few BA key books. Bluemedgroup and jimjum12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post october Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Bluemedgroup said: 💯 agree. But myself being 40+ years old and like the majority of collectors out there right now, golden age isn’t really relevant to us. There’s a webpage that tracks most watched CGC books on eBay, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a GA book there. But yes, absolutely there’s plenty of GA books out there you can make a killing one, but it’s becoming the way of the standard transmission. And don’t get me wrong, my first car was a 4 speed. I'm 40 and 75% of my collection is golden age. Like most comic ages, there's a serious bifurcation between the 90% and the top 10%. The former is stagnant and/or dropping, the latter is red hot. Schomburg, Cole, Fine, classic horror has never been more expensive. A lot of stuff I bought less than 10 years ago has increased in value 100-1000% in that time. Sweet Lou 14, KCOComics, thedude and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
october Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Saying no one likes Gold because prices are mostly stagnant is like saying no one likes Copper/Modern because 99% of it is dollar box drek. piper and Funnybooks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post piper Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 minutes ago, october said: Saying no one likes Gold because prices are mostly stagnant is like saying no one likes Copper/Modern because 99% of it is dollar box drek. Agreed. I don’t understand the appeal of Copper comics but there’s certainly a market for Deapool, Harley Quinn, et al. I’ll stick to Gold, Silver, and Bronze thank you very much... well perhaps the odd Adam Hughes Cover in 9.8. jimjum12, october, Funnybooks and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KCOComics Posted January 31, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, october said: Like most comic ages, there's a serious bifurcation between the 90% and the top 10%. The former is stagnant and/or dropping, the latter is red hot. Schomburg, Cole, Fine, classic horror has never been more expensive. A lot of stuff I bought less than 10 years ago has increased in value 100-1000% in that time. This is 100% correct. I would make the argument the top 10% of GA books have never been hotter. We are seeing record prices everywhere on every venue. While the demand for Mutt and Jeff and funny animal books may be stagnant or fading, that represents only certain segments of the market. I'm 38. I certainly didn't grow up reading GA, but I view my collecting as a constant progression. I will always love marvel SA, but I get a far bigger rush when I pick up a GA book by an artist I'm interested in. @bronze johnny excellent synopsis. As you learn about the history of the comic book industry and the people who formed it, you gain a greater appreciation for GA books. I think of collectors of GA as place holders who's job is to ensure these comics survive for future generations. october, jimjum12, bronze johnny and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluemedgroup Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Appreciate the great conversation. But just for clarification, I never said that GA was irrelevant. I said it’s less relevant. I mean I’ve got a few GA issues myself, but it just seems most of the action is at silver age. Like when I go to a card show, Michael Jordan rookie cards are hotter than fire. Rarely do I see people talking about Wilt Chamberlin or Karen Abdul Jabbar. But I’m sure no one would object to finding a great deal on one of their rookie cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Lou 14 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Bluemedgroup said: Appreciate the great conversation. But just for clarification, I never said that GA was irrelevant. I said it’s less relevant. I mean I’ve got a few GA issues myself, but it just seems most of the action is at silver age. Like when I go to a card show, Michael Jordan rookie cards are hotter than fire. Rarely do I see people talking about Wilt Chamberlin or Karen Abdul Jabbar. But I’m sure no one would object to finding a great deal on one of their rookie cards. I hear you, but there are some important distinctions to be drawn in this analogy. With comics, the thing you're collecting is literally the subject of interest. Slabbing aside, you can buy a comic and access its contents. You are holding in your hand the very same cultural artifact that first came into being in 1975, or 1961, or 1938. With sports cards, the thing you're collecting is a reflection of the subject of interest. (Autographs and game-used memorabilia are much closer to the subject, but still not the subject himself.) You are extremely unlikely to get to meet Michael Jordan, and you're never going to be able to meet Wilt Chamberlain any more. The further back in time you go, the less access you have to the player -- not only in the flesh, but even to the player's accomplishments because so little footage is still available today. The players of the past are still celebrated, but they are not literally brought to life again for new generations the way old comics characters appear in monthly comics and frequent feature films. At least musicians who are old or gone (in addition to generally leaving behind a complete catalog of their work) can see renewed interest from current-day artists who put out covers, tributes, and even the occasional collaboration. But the forces pushing athletes and other celebrities out of our collective memory are much stronger than those working against the most popular comics characters. I have a cousin who is big into basketball cards and I've spoken with him often about the way that market has exploded in the past year. Current players can see daily fluctuations in their card values based on what they did in last night's game -- it's crazy. Retired players are seeing much less growth and volatility, but you're right that Jordan cards are currently insane. The "Last Dance" documentary, which came at a time when sports fans literally had no new content of any kind to watch, seemed to be a major impetus, and I also think that fans use the card market as a way of casting their vote in the GOAT debate regarding LeBron vs. Jordan (which still favors Jordan heavily). Also, even though he carefully picks his moments in the public eye, Jordan is probably the most self-promoting, legacy-obsessed retired athlete in any sport. He hasn't really left us. We're not talking about GA comics from 75+ years ago, we're talking about a guy who is still alive, and relatively young, and directly involved in the NBA as an owner, and putting out propaganda promoting his legacy (not that there's anything wrong with that). If you're a retired player not named Jordan, as morbid as this sounds the #1 thing that will spike your card values, sadly, is your death. That certainly happened with Kobe Bryant, and I imagine that just as there were people hoarding Stan Lee signatures as he got older and older, there's probably a "deadpool" of speculation in the card market around all the real old-timers. Bluemedgroup, alexgross.com and jimjum12 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chillax23 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/29/2021 at 7:23 PM, PKJ said: Biased...Obviously since you used a F4 villain to compare Magneto..... But if F4 is behind X-Men their villains should not count either, I am kidding as I feel like this has been argued through the halls of every con there has been. I agree X-Men are due, I only mention supply based on how many shows I have been to that had multiple X1 available on day one and last day of a show versus 1 or 2 dealers with FF1. That and I guess I now hate it will cost 10K for a nice X1 that was 5K last year. Hahahaha ....... my point was more Doom and Magneto are fairly equal in terms of popularity. The X-Men are far more popular than FF and in X-Men 1 you also get Magneto who is at least the #2 villain in the Marvel Universe. The only thing holding down pricing on X-Men 1 is its relative abundance but I would think demand far outweighs supply especially when they enter the MCU. So no reason it can’t be up there dollar wise with The big boys AF15, IH1 and FF1 - especially if you consider the X-Men are likely more popular than 2 of those 3. Bluemedgroup and thedude 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...