Dark Knight Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I was surprised on this finish. It was higher then I thought with brittle pages. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-8-B-Origin-1st-Appearance-of-Silver-Age-Flash-Barry-Allen-/391437278980?hash=item5b237adf04:g:TfAAAOSwYmZXFm1T .another example of a book that presents exceedingly well in the slab, irrespective of the "PQ" on the label. -J. +1 It does look nice in the slab. It really does. Would likely have graded higher if PQ was not brittle I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupergirlDC1959 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 It looks like both staples have rust on them and brittle pages are both bad things going for that otherwise nice looking SC 4. I would not be a buyer for even a single one of those 2 issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark 1 Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I surprised it went that high with brittle pages as well. However, this book is just exceeding all expectations at this point. I would not have bid on that book. I know the underbidder and he legitimately lost out so it was not a shill situation for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I was surprised on this finish. It was higher then I thought with brittle pages. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-8-B-Origin-1st-Appearance-of-Silver-Age-Flash-Barry-Allen-/391437278980?hash=item5b237adf04:g:TfAAAOSwYmZXFm1T .another example of a book that presents exceedingly well in the slab, irrespective of the "PQ" on the label. -J. it graded a 1.8 due to the pq, not irrespective of it A 1.8 with nice pq that presented that well would have sold for close to 10k (I say that because that's about what I'd pay) 4.0 eye appeal with hidden defect would be my kind of book! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarryAllen Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I was surprised on this finish. It was higher then I thought with brittle pages. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-8-B-Origin-1st-Appearance-of-Silver-Age-Flash-Barry-Allen-/391437278980?hash=item5b237adf04:g:TfAAAOSwYmZXFm1T .another example of a book that presents exceedingly well in the slab, irrespective of the "PQ" on the label. -J. it graded a 1.8 due to the pq, not irrespective of it A 1.8 with nice pq that presented that well would have sold for close to 10k (I say that because that's about what I'd pay) 4.0 eye appeal with hidden defect would be my kind of book! Since you chimed in... What would you pay for a 4.0 with a hidden defect? Or an "average" 5.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I was surprised on this finish. It was higher then I thought with brittle pages. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-8-B-Origin-1st-Appearance-of-Silver-Age-Flash-Barry-Allen-/391437278980?hash=item5b237adf04:g:TfAAAOSwYmZXFm1T .another example of a book that presents exceedingly well in the slab, irrespective of the "PQ" on the label. -J. it graded a 1.8 due to the pq, not irrespective of it A 1.8 with nice pq that presented that well would have sold for close to 10k (I say that because that's about what I'd pay) 4.0 eye appeal with hidden defect would be my kind of book! Since you chimed in... What would you pay for a 4.0 with a hidden defect? Or an "average" 5.0? I believe a 4.0 is 15k+ and a 5.0 seems to have established sales at 25+ I would retail copies for that and buy at a high (90+) % But if I could buy a 1.8 that had 4.0 eye appeal, I'd pay 10ish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I was surprised on this finish. It was higher then I thought with brittle pages. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Showcase-4-CGC-1-8-B-Origin-1st-Appearance-of-Silver-Age-Flash-Barry-Allen-/391437278980?hash=item5b237adf04:g:TfAAAOSwYmZXFm1T .another example of a book that presents exceedingly well in the slab, irrespective of the "PQ" on the label. -J. it graded a 1.8 due to the pq, not irrespective of it A 1.8 with nice pq that presented that well would have sold for close to 10k (I say that because that's about what I'd pay) 4.0 eye appeal with hidden defect would be my kind of book! 4.0 books can have "brittle pages" on the label too. Either way that's a wild result for a 1.8. I personally don't think the "PQ" on the label mattered much, if at all. The book just looks great in the slab. -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I believe 4.0 is highest cgc will grade a book with brittle pages and 6.5? Highest with slightly brittle Bad Pq is absolutely a big part of grade...just ask Paul or anyone that has ever graded at cgc So this 1.8 would have graded higher by cgc if not for the brittle page notation. That's a "fact" so our opinions are not relevant This copy would have sold for thousands more if not for the brittle pages (bc it would have graded higher with better pq) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I believe 4.0 is highest cgc will grade a book with brittle pages and 6.5? Highest with slightly brittle Bad Pq is absolutely a big part of grade...just ask Paul or anyone that has ever graded at cgc So this 1.8 would have graded higher by cgc if not for the brittle page notation. That's a "fact" so our opinions are not relevant This copy would have sold for thousands more if not for the brittle pages (bc it would have graded higher with better pq) Agreed, if the book had a higher grade it would likely have sold for more (irrespective of the "PQ" on the label ). But it's my understanding that, in these low grade ranges, the grade is not hit further for the "PQ" on the label. Can you have a natural 9.0 that says "brittle pages"? Probably not. But a low grade 1.8? Yes. -J. _________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I believe 4.0 is highest cgc will grade a book with brittle pages and 6.5? Highest with slightly brittle Bad Pq is absolutely a big part of grade...just ask Paul or anyone that has ever graded at cgc So this 1.8 would have graded higher by cgc if not for the brittle page notation. That's a "fact" so our opinions are not relevant This copy would have sold for thousands more if not for the brittle pages (bc it would have graded higher with better pq) Agreed, if the book had a higher grade it would likely have sold for more (irrespective of the "PQ" on the label ). But it's my understanding that, in these low grade ranges, the grade is not hit further for the "PQ" on the label. Can you have a natural 9.0 that says "brittle pages"? Probably not. But a low grade 1.8? Yes. -J. _________________________ Then I am Happy I can help you with your understanding then At some point a book can't grade any lower (.5) so pq can't affect it more. But a book that is a 1.0 with brittle pages would be higher if pages were better. A 1.8 with brittle pages would grade higher with better pq, etc. That is a fact...just ask cgc ... So in every grade above the minimum, the pq factors in when brittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydogrules Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I believe 4.0 is highest cgc will grade a book with brittle pages and 6.5? Highest with slightly brittle Bad Pq is absolutely a big part of grade...just ask Paul or anyone that has ever graded at cgc So this 1.8 would have graded higher by cgc if not for the brittle page notation. That's a "fact" so our opinions are not relevant This copy would have sold for thousands more if not for the brittle pages (bc it would have graded higher with better pq) Agreed, if the book had a higher grade it would likely have sold for more (irrespective of the "PQ" on the label ). But it's my understanding that, in these low grade ranges, the grade is not hit further for the "PQ" on the label. Can you have a natural 9.0 that says "brittle pages"? Probably not. But a low grade 1.8? Yes. -J. _________________________ Then I am Happy I can help you with your understanding then At some point a book can't grade any lower (.5) so pq can't affect it more. But a book that is a 1.0 with brittle pages would be higher if pages were better. A 1.8 with brittle pages would grade higher with better pq, etc. That is a fact...just ask cgc ... So in every grade above the minimum, the pq factors in when brittle Not to belabor the point , but I would be curious as to your thoughts on this book, which has both a detached cover and "brittle pages" on the label, and still got a 2.5... http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/CGCWhiteness/30_Brittle/2.5_Brittle.jpg -J. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Either way that's a wild result for a 1.8. I personally don't think the "PQ" on the label mattered much, if at all. The book just looks great in the slab. -J. Do you really think the price wouldn't have been substantially higher if the book had, say, CR-OW pages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Either way that's a wild result for a 1.8. I personally don't think the "PQ" on the label mattered much, if at all. The book just looks great in the slab. -J. Do you really think the price wouldn't have been substantially higher if the book had, say, CR-OW pages? On this copy, absolutely. Bc it wouldn't have been a 1.8 if it had cr/ow pages. It would have been a 3.0 or whatever # Now a 1.8 with cr/ow that had other defect that made it a 1.8 might have ended around the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I believe 4.0 is highest cgc will grade a book with brittle pages and 6.5? Highest with slightly brittle Bad Pq is absolutely a big part of grade...just ask Paul or anyone that has ever graded at cgc So this 1.8 would have graded higher by cgc if not for the brittle page notation. That's a "fact" so our opinions are not relevant This copy would have sold for thousands more if not for the brittle pages (bc it would have graded higher with better pq) Agreed, if the book had a higher grade it would likely have sold for more (irrespective of the "PQ" on the label ). But it's my understanding that, in these low grade ranges, the grade is not hit further for the "PQ" on the label. Can you have a natural 9.0 that says "brittle pages"? Probably not. But a low grade 1.8? Yes. -J. _________________________ Then I am Happy I can help you with your understanding then At some point a book can't grade any lower (.5) so pq can't affect it more. But a book that is a 1.0 with brittle pages would be higher if pages were better. A 1.8 with brittle pages would grade higher with better pq, etc. That is a fact...just ask cgc ... So in every grade above the minimum, the pq factors in when brittle Not to belabor the point , but I would be curious as to your thoughts on this book, which has both a detached cover and "brittle pages" on the label, and still got a 2.5... http://www.bipcomics.com/showcase/CGCWhiteness/30_Brittle/2.5_Brittle.jpg -J. 4.0 is highest a detached cover can grade, I believe So the brittle pages lowered it to a 2.5 all else equal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Either way that's a wild result for a 1.8. I personally don't think the "PQ" on the label mattered much, if at all. The book just looks great in the slab. -J. Do you really think the price wouldn't have been substantially higher if the book had, say, CR-OW pages? On this copy, absolutely. Bc it wouldn't have been a 1.8 if it had cr/ow pages. It would have been a 3.0 or whatever # Now a 1.8 with cr/ow that had other defect that made it a 1.8 might have ended around the same I suppose so, but it would take severe defects to have the same effect on my willingness to buy that brittle pages do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Either way that's a wild result for a 1.8. I personally don't think the "PQ" on the label mattered much, if at all. The book just looks great in the slab. -J. Do you really think the price wouldn't have been substantially higher if the book had, say, CR-OW pages? On this copy, absolutely. Bc it wouldn't have been a 1.8 if it had cr/ow pages. It would have been a 3.0 or whatever # Now a 1.8 with cr/ow that had other defect that made it a 1.8 might have ended around the same I suppose so, but it would take severe defects to have the same effect on my willingness to buy that brittle pages do. Many folks stay away from brittle. But obviously not all And there are varying degrees of paper brittleness ... There are pages where the paper is so dry it cracks and chips and flakes at a slight touch There are pages where it's dried out in one spot and it's deemed brittle while 95% of the rest of the paper is supple Those two examples are on opposite ends but they're both designated as brittle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action252Kid Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Many folks stay away from brittle. But obviously not all And there are varying degrees of paper brittleness ... There are pages where the paper is so dry it cracks and chips and flakes at a slight touch There are pages where it's dried out in one spot and it's deemed brittle while 95% of the rest of the paper is supple Those two examples are on opposite ends but they're both designated as brittle I really wish CGC would distinguish between the two because I can tolerate the second situation with one dried out spot, but I wouldn't buy a book where the entire spine is splitting/crumbling away. Unfortunately just seeing "brittle" on the label forces you to assume the worst, when many times it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sqeggs Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Many folks stay away from brittle. But obviously not all And there are varying degrees of paper brittleness ... There are pages where the paper is so dry it cracks and chips and flakes at a slight touch There are pages where it's dried out in one spot and it's deemed brittle while 95% of the rest of the paper is supple Those two examples are on opposite ends but they're both designated as brittle I really wish CGC would distinguish between the two because I can tolerate the second situation with one dried out spot, but I wouldn't buy a book where the entire spine is splitting/crumbling away. Unfortunately just seeing "brittle" on the label forces you to assume the worst, when many times it isn't. Do the grader's notes provide any more detail? I don't think I've ever bought them on a book with brittle pages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.tor Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 I've never looked at graders notes but I submited a book that the pages I didn't think were bad at all ...did the corner flick test and no problems... Book came back with brittle pages but it's certainly one I'm happy to own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texmurphy2099 Posted June 7, 2016 Share Posted June 7, 2016 any thoughts on the hammer on that 7.0 sc4 on CC? Its a cbcs - man, I'm so bothered by that writing on the cover otherwise I'd toss a bid in. As of now wayyyy below the 7.5 sale a few months back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...