Avengers # 1 and # 4 Club 12 12

[Stronguy]

From a small OO collection I picked up last month.  This book was a beater but I was able to massage it into decent shape.

[Pantodude]

On 4/5/2022 at 3:26 PM, Stronguy said:

This book was a beater but I was able to massage it into decent shape.

I could use a massage like that!  Nice find.  Decent to begin with, actually.  

Edited April 5, 2022 by Pantodude

[KirbyJack]

I’d easily take the after over the before, but the colors are better without the slab.

[Stronguy]

On 4/9/2022 at 10:04 AM, KirbyJack said:

I’d easily take the after over the before, but the colors are better without the slab.

The lighting is completely different.  I took the first photo on the seller's dining room table with one of those horrible white lights they have in the hospital.  The other one (slabbed) is on my desk with much less harsh lighting.

[Albert Thurgood]

I have a beat up Avengers #1 so am trying to learn about where it might rank in the 1.8 v 2.0 v 2.5 range.  May I ask how that book above got graded as a 2.5? It looks like it has had a harder life than this 2.0 (not mine; it is currently at MCS):

 

[grendelbo]

On 6/25/2022 at 10:25 PM, Albert Thurgood said:

May I ask how that book above got graded as a 2.5? It looks like it has had a harder life than this 2.0 (not mine; it is currently at MCS):

 

One could argue either grade with both of the example copies.

I think the difference though might lie with the back cover and severe tanning/paper discoloration of the 2.0.

The bottom staple also appears pretty corroded.

On 6/25/2022 at 10:25 PM, Albert Thurgood said:

I have a beat up Avengers #1 so am trying to learn about where it might rank in the 1.8 v 2.0 v 2.5 range.

Give us a crack at grading it over in PGM.

[KCOComics]

On 6/26/2022 at 12:25 AM, Albert Thurgood said:

I have a beat up Avengers #1 so am trying to learn about where it might rank in the 1.8 v 2.0 v 2.5 range.  May I ask how that book above got graded as a 2.5? It looks like it has had a harder life than this 2.0 (not mine; it is currently at MCS):

 

 

On 6/26/2022 at 2:06 AM, grendelbo said:

One could argue either grade with both of the example copies.

I think the difference though might lie with the back cover and severe tanning/paper discoloration of the 2.0.

The bottom staple also appears pretty corroded.

Give us a crack at grading it over in PGM.

Seeing the back cover does help solve the mystery a bit. 

I do have two thoughts. 

1) I would echo using the PGM area. You'll get good feedback and they'll point things out you may not have noticed. 

2) it's a big enough book at this point, that's it's work grading in pretty much any condition.  So I would use the PGM section and send it out. 

[Hulksdaddy1]

[mosconi]

This was a childhood grail of mine and a classic cover I've always admired.  Super happy to have found a copy with a nice wrap, White pages, and no Marvel chipping.  It was a tough combination and really pleased to have in the collection 

Edited January 2, 2023 by mosconi

[grendelbo]

On 1/1/2023 at 3:02 PM, mosconi said:

This was a childhood grail of mine and a classic cover I've always admired.  Super happy to have found a copy with a nice wrap, White pages, and no Marvel chipping or pre-chipping.  It was a tough combination and really pleased to have in the collection 

That's a great looking copy! Congratulations.

[mosconi]

On 1/1/2023 at 2:58 PM, grendelbo said:

That's a great looking copy! Congratulations.

Thank you! 

[Timeless icons]

Count me in. Picked this one up in 2021 on Comiclink. Still have yet to pick up an Avengers 4 though. 

[WernerVonDoom]

[KCOComics]

Sadly, I just half way left this club. I traded my Avengers 1 towards a bigger book. 

Hopefully it won't be a long separation. I was hoping to upgrade my copy, so figured I could sacrifice it. 

[alexgross.com]

On 1/1/2023 at 2:02 PM, mosconi said:

This was a childhood grail of mine and a classic cover I've always admired.  Super happy to have found a copy with a nice wrap, White pages, and no Marvel chipping.  It was a tough combination and really pleased to have in the collection 

if you ever decide to sell or upgrade this book, please reach out to me first! great looking copy for the grade and with the hard to find WP to boot! 

[mosconi]

On 1/8/2023 at 6:58 AM, alexgross.com said:

if you ever decide to sell or upgrade this book, please reach out to me first! great looking copy for the grade and with the hard to find WP to boot! 

Thanks Alex!  I'll definitely reach out to you if I ever decide to upgrade 

Edited January 8, 2023 by mosconi

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/1/2023 at 5:02 PM, mosconi said:

This was a childhood grail of mine and a classic cover I've always admired.  Super happy to have found a copy with a nice wrap, White pages, and no Marvel chipping.  It was a tough combination and really pleased to have in the collection 

Great copy!  Though AFAIK, Avengers #1 was published well after the date range typically associated with Marvel chipping.  I don't recall seeing a chipped copy.

[mosconi]

Thank you!  Many of the "mid-grade" copies I seemed to encounter had some chipping or pre-chipping issues.  I'm sure it's not as prevalent with the higher grade copies.  To my understanding, by Jan of 1964 chipping was not a common problem at Marvel, although there were still books that exhibited it over the SA years.  I've seen it alot on ASM #33...

Edited January 9, 2023 by mosconi

[Sweet Lou 14]

Hmm ... yeah, that does look like it could be chipping on that copy.  By which I mean, of course there are chips but it looks similar to the kind of chipping attributed to the paper-cutting process used by Marvel in the earliest part of the Silver Age.

[ramrod44]

Hello All, 

     I bought a copy of Avengers #4 at a flea market for $10 in 1993. I had it graded around 2001 (cgc 1.8, it was a beater) and sold it shortly after for $150. I've been passively looking to replace it ever since. Well, fast forward to last week. I'm looking thru Pedigree's auction and there it is, a cgc 8.0 beauty in the OLD label. I slapped down a lowball bid (GPA average of what the last 7 copies had sold for in cgc 7.5) and went on with life figuring I had no shot to win. Imagine my surprise two days later when I got the e-mail advising me that I had won.   

Cross 1 grail off the list of books to acquire before I die. 

 

I checked and it was graded in May 2003 (before the pressing craze). The grader comments noted: Back cover light rippling/warping, right bottom back cover small chip out, right center front cover small chip out, top interior small smear. 

I'm thinking with a squish it has a good chance of grading higher. 

Thoughts?