JazzMan Posted November 30, 2010 Share Posted November 30, 2010 Thanks, all. And thanks, telerites, for another good example. I purposely avoided including personal opinions in my lead-off post. However, at this point, I’d like to say that I was quite surprised by many of the things I saw. Here are some examples of Blue Label books with a detached centerfold (the Aquaman #46), a blown staple, or a completely detached cover: According to these examples, a pristine book with a detached centerfold can receive a Universal Grade as high as 9.4, a lightly worn book with a blown staple can grade as high as 9.0 to 9.4, and a book with a completely detached cover can grade as high as 4.0. WTF? In my world, a book that's essentially flawless aside from a blown staple has always been a FN/VF. No wonder I have so many repeat buyers! The Superman #172 and Aquaman #46 books above should be a QUALIFIED 9.2 and 9.4, respectively. The key visual being that the defects on the label are described in ALL CAPS, which is only for Qualified defects. I have seen other books where the label color was wrong but the census had it correct. From the Superman 172, though, the label is blue and the census lookup shows that in fact it was graded as universal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hero Restoration Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Thanks, all. And thanks, telerites, for another good example. I purposely avoided including personal opinions in my lead-off post. However, at this point, I’d like to say that I was quite surprised by many of the things I saw. Here are some examples of Blue Label books with a detached centerfold (the Aquaman #46), a blown staple, or a completely detached cover: According to these examples, a pristine book with a detached centerfold can receive a Universal Grade as high as 9.4, a lightly worn book with a blown staple can grade as high as 9.0 to 9.4, and a book with a completely detached cover can grade as high as 4.0. WTF? In my world, a book that's essentially flawless aside from a blown staple has always been a FN/VF. No wonder I have so many repeat buyers! The Superman #172 and Aquaman #46 books above should be a QUALIFIED 9.2 and 9.4, respectively. The key visual being that the defects on the label are described in ALL CAPS, which is only for Qualified defects. I have seen other books where the label color was wrong but the census had it correct. From the Superman 172, though, the label is blue and the census lookup shows that in fact it was graded as universal. So then it is a mistake on the label and the census? Surely no book could grade a 9.2 with a cover detached at one staple, right? The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee_s2e-migration Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 I would think they could put unwitnessed sigs in a blue label as well, just note that it was verified by a third party with a COA. Never. I suppose COA's can be forged though Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee_s2e-migration Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 The key visual being that the defects on the label are described in ALL CAPS, which is only for Qualified defects. Is this information anywhere on the CGC website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze-man Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Nice thread zzutak, what a terrific resource with no hint of any agenda or bias. It should be stickied imho, as it could be the gathering place for all things Qualified. (thumbs u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 Thanks, Ze-man. This has always been my favorite forum. I'm not sure this thread is on par with the incredibly educational Comic Production Flaws and How to Spot Restoration threads, but I certainly appreciate the kind thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze-man Posted December 15, 2010 Share Posted December 15, 2010 I had to laugh at myself as I went 3 pages deep looking for this thread, only to see it was stickied to the top of the first. Congrats, your thread is a piece of individual work that's quite worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sborock Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Great post! Thanks for doing all that work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted December 24, 2010 Share Posted December 24, 2010 Late to the party but thank Zzutak for an informational and worthwhile thread. Good info in great detail! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverseeker Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I just came across this thread...fantastic work, and thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJD Posted April 12, 2011 Share Posted April 12, 2011 (edited) Unless I've missed something, this appears to be a GLOD based only on PQ, and isn't one of the categories on this list. Link Edited April 12, 2011 by AJD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 (edited) Hey Jay Fantastic research and thread! I just recently sent in an ST 107 with centerfold completely detached and it came back blue label 5.0 no label comments...I'm gonna call for the notes this week and report back... COMMENTARY Edited May 15, 2011 by trmoore54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostalgic Attic Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Tom, The ST 107 was submitted under the value tier, so there won't be any notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trmoore54 Posted May 15, 2011 Share Posted May 15, 2011 Tom, The ST 107 was submitted under the value tier, so there won't be any notes. Oh well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Tom, The ST 107 was submitted under the value tier, so there won't be any notes. Oh well... Hence, the value . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheetah Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Here's one of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostalgic Attic Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Hey Jay Fantastic research and thread! I just recently sent in an ST 107 with centerfold completely detached and it came back blue label 5.0 no label comments...I'm gonna call for the notes this week and report back... COMMENTARY Based on the Thrilling Comics $42 posted earlier, I would think this book should have a note on the label stating "Centerfold Detached". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogglekng Posted October 8, 2011 Share Posted October 8, 2011 (edited) That Savage Tales 1 CGC Q 9.8 is just stunning! Green Label or not, I'd cherish that book. I was thinking the same thing, it's a real shame CGC decided to give it a green label because it has a unverified sig. Can't you still get Blue Label for unverified sigs but the signature is just counted as a defect against the grade instead? Edited October 13, 2011 by bogglekng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bogglekng Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Any help here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLiamSturgess Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 That Savage Tales 1 CGC Q 9.8 is just stunning! Green Label or not, I'd cherish that book. I was thinking the same thing, it's a real shame CGC decided to give it a green label because it has a unverified sig. Can't you still get Blue Label for unverified sigs but the signature is just counted as a defect against the grade instead? It happens, but I'm not sure what the qualifications are. I've seen CGC 9.8 Blue labels with interior sigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
