Moderns that are heating up on ebay! 70 70

[PeterPark]

On 12/7/2022 at 1:19 PM, catch21 said:

I do not know what econonimics class you went to.  I was taught  market is how much an asset can be sold or bought. It does not determine the type of appearance.  I am still waiting for that example where the value of book changed the type of appearance.

I am not sure why you would say that. Prices are subject to supply and demand and the demand part would very clearly involve what kind of appearance it is. I read it as the type of appearance, as determined by the market, will affect demand and thus, price. Ergo, the market will decided what kind of appearance it is.

[catch21]

On 12/7/2022 at 10:46 AM, PeterPark said:

I am not sure why you would say that. Prices are subject to supply and demand and the demand part would very clearly involve what kind of appearance it is. I read it as the type of appearance, as determined by the market, will affect demand and thus, price. Ergo, the market will decided what kind of appearance it is.

Again, name a book where the Value changed the appearance. None of you done that yet.  I did not talk about supply and demand. You are misquoting me.

Edited December 7, 2022 by catch21

[500Club]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:19 AM, catch21 said:

I do not know what econonimics class you went to.  I was taught  market is how much an asset can be sold or bought. It does not determine the type of appearance.  I am still waiting for that example where the value of book changed the type of appearance.

Really?  That’s what you took from my posts???  You better reread my posts.  I’m saying the exact opposite of what you posted:

On 12/6/2022 at 7:49 PM, 500Club said:

I agree that that doesn’t redefine what are truths, though.  A literal first appearance is a literal first appearance.  Period.

What I said after that is that the market doesn’t assign value based on those truths.  You want examples?  Hulk 180/181 is the easiest.  No one debates the truth that 180 is a literal first appearance.  But that fact doesn’t cause the market to necessarily value the book as the most valuable.  Clearer?

[Corona smith]

On 12/6/2022 at 7:38 PM, catch21 said:

It does not. Reading the book does. Invincible Iron Man 7 the woman variant was labeled 1st appearance of Riri was the higher value book. Later changed to 1st appearance in Cameo while it was the higher book. Label changed Invincible Iron Man 9 to 1st full appearance of RIRI while Iron Man 7 was worth more. NOW the regular Invincible Iron Man 9 is worth more than the Invincible Iron Man 7 variant.

Just because a grading company changes a description of an appearance on one of their   labels doesn’t dictate which book is more valuable. A lot a collectors don’t pay attention to what the grading companies say on their labels. We actually read the books and make that determination ourselves. I also want to point out that this thread is about MODERN COMICS HEATING UP ON EBAY.

[Corona smith]

On 12/7/2022 at 1:55 PM, catch21 said:

Again, name a book where the Value changed the appearance. None of you done that yet.  I did not talk about supply and demand. You are misquoting me.

Modern Comics Heating Up on EBay. Go to the numerous other threads that discuss cameos, firsts and first fulls. 

[500Club]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:46 AM, PeterPark said:

I am not sure why you would say that. Prices are subject to supply and demand and the demand part would very clearly involve what kind of appearance it is. I read it as the type of appearance, as determined by the market, will affect demand and thus, price. Ergo, the market will decided what kind of appearance it is.

Closer.  Maybe I wasn’t clear enough.  I’m really just trying to say that overall, the market doesn’t necessarily value the literal first appearance as the most valuable.  Other factors come into play.  That’s where the economics of demand come into play. 

But the reverse is true, too.  A book may be deemed the most important or valuable, but that doesn’t change the truth of what type of appearance it is.

Value <> type of appearance

[catch21]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:20 AM, 500Club said:

Closer.  Maybe I wasn’t clear enough.  I’m really just trying to say that overall, the market doesn’t necessarily value the literal first appearance as the most valuable.  Other factors come into play.  That’s where the economics of demand come into play. 

But the reverse is true, too.  A book may be deemed the most important or valuable, but that doesn’t change the truth of what type of appearance it is.

Value <> type of appearance

That's exactly what I have been saying,

[PeterPark]

On 12/7/2022 at 1:55 PM, catch21 said:

Again, name a book where the Value changed the appearance. None of you done that yet.  I did not talk about supply and demand. You are misquoting me.

I don't recall using quotes but you mentioned econonomics which I had assumed to be economics. I assume they covered supply and demand in your class? Hulk 181 is an immediate example where the market decided that was the first appearance despite the previous appearance in 180. The price reflects that decision.

[PeterPark]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:20 PM, 500Club said:

Closer.  Maybe I wasn’t clear enough.  I’m really just trying to say that overall, the market doesn’t necessarily value the literal first appearance as the most valuable.  Other factors come into play.  That’s where the economics of demand come into play. 

But the reverse is true, too.  A book may be deemed the most important or valuable, but that doesn’t change the truth of what type of appearance it is.

Value <> type of appearance

Jimmy Olsen 134 

[PeterPark]

There are numerous examples both ways but it is the market deciding which appearance "counts". And it is hard to predict which way it will go.

[godzilla43]

Still this is going on    Anyways lets get back on track. I dunno are these books getting hotter or already going down but 
Fantastic Four 570 and 579.

Edited December 7, 2022 by godzilla43

[500Club]

On 12/7/2022 at 12:12 PM, Corona smith said:

Just because a grading company changes a description of an appearance on one of their   labels doesn’t dictate which book is more valuable. A lot a collectors don’t pay attention to what the grading companies say on their labels. We actually read the books and make that determination ourselves. I also want to point out that this thread is about MODERN COMICS HEATING UP ON EBAY.

Slow your roll.  This debate is just enjoying a cameo appearance here. 

[catch21]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:12 AM, Corona smith said:

Just because a grading company changes a description of an appearance on one of their   labels doesn’t dictate which book is more valuable. A lot a collectors don’t pay attention to what the grading companies say on their labels. We actually read the books and make that determination ourselves. I also want to point out that this thread is about MODERN COMICS HEATING UP ON EBAY.

Agreed, I gave excamples where labels do change the value Iroman  7 and where the label does not Batman 655. You must have missed it,

[500Club]

On 12/7/2022 at 12:24 PM, PeterPark said:

Jimmy Olsen 134 

Yep.  And X-Factor 23/24. 

[PeterPark]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:26 PM, godzilla43 said:

Still this is going on    Anyways lets get back on track. I dunno are these books getting hotter or already going down but 
Fantastic Four 570 and 579.

Prices are all over the place. What's the news?

[catch21]

On 12/7/2022 at 11:23 AM, PeterPark said:

I don't recall using quotes but you mentioned econonomics which I had assumed to be economics. I assume they covered supply and demand in your class? Hulk 181 is an immediate example where the market decided that was the first appearance despite the previous appearance in 180. The price reflects that decision.

That grey book in your reply is my qoute, That's not happened in the Hulk 180 and Hulk 181 story.

[PeterPark]

On 12/7/2022 at 2:31 PM, catch21 said:

That grey book in your reply is my qoute, That's not happened in the Hulk 180 and Hulk 181 story.

The grey boxes are not misquotes, cgc pastes them. Continue.

[godzilla43]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:30 PM, PeterPark said:

Prices are all over the place. What's the news?

I don't know there are some 1st appereance on those issues but I was just surprised that those go for that much.

[kimik]

On 12/7/2022 at 12:35 PM, godzilla43 said:

On 12/7/2022 at 12:30 PM, PeterPark said:

Prices are all over the place. What's the news?

I don't know there are some 1st appereance on those issues but I was just surprised that those go for that much.

1st "Council of Reeds". Here is the panel with the 1st app with the Reeds in ancient Egypt.

[manetteska]