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Should we give Mitch a Second Chance

Started by 8milemax,

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Mr.Diggler

Mr.Diggler

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After all, he is the King of Comics :facepalm:

 

Thoughts please

 

If everyone ignored him he would go away.

That doesn't always work. :popcorn:

Speedy-D

Speedy-D

Posted
Posted
After all, he is the King of Comics :facepalm:

 

Thoughts please

 

If everyone ignored him he would go away.

That doesn't always work. :popcorn:

Use the ignore function and he's almost all the way gone.

Mr.Diggler

Mr.Diggler

Posted
Posted
After all, he is the King of Comics :facepalm:

 

Thoughts please

 

If everyone ignored him he would go away.

That doesn't always work. :popcorn:

Use the ignore function and he's almost all the way gone.

Almost isn't good enough. :popcorn:

8milemax

8milemax

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After all, he is the King of Comics :facepalm:

 

Thoughts please

 

If everyone ignored him he would go away.

That doesn't always work. :popcorn:

Use the ignore function and he's almost all the way gone.

Almost isn't good enough. :popcorn:

 

:cloud9::popcorn:

bababooey

bababooey

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Maybe all MM is saying is the same that many others say here - buyer beware but he doesn't mix the ethics with the dollar signs.

It's all dollar signs - "comics = $$$"

 

Example:

If I buy a restored book at three times the restored value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on restoration.

 

If I buy an overpriced book at three times the market value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on the market value of the book.

 

These examples aren't that different if your only perspective is what the book is worth when you try to resell it back to the market.

 

I don't think MM was defending anything criminal that the other guy allegedly did but if I've identified his perspective accurately then overpaying for a book because of "(insert anything)" is something the buyer needs to protect himself against.

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

 

Except he's specifically said that if someone gets suckered that it's their own fault.

 

That sounds a lot like excusing bad behavior, failure to disclose, and deceptive practices as being the failure of the victim instead of the culpability being on the person doing the "suckering".

That's why my carefully worded examples were equal monetarily. One included the blasphemous non-disclosure while the other addressed the sometimes discussed "sellers asking price".

I consider the examples equal when it comes to someone getting suckered. Some don't feel that way.

500Club

500Club

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I'm happy to keep giving Mitch chances. I get a kick out of his tomfoolery, and I've made up my mind about him: he's a fat-ego'd blowhard who doesn't think before (or, usually, after) he posts. I'm convinced that he means a lot of what he says, and phrases it in ways that maximize outraged response. I support his right to post ridiculous stuff, and the rights of the rest of us to make fun of him for it.

 

Isn't that why Gore invented the Internet?

 

I fully endorse this sentiment. (thumbs u

comix4fun

comix4fun

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Maybe all MM is saying is the same that many others say here - buyer beware but he doesn't mix the ethics with the dollar signs.

It's all dollar signs - "comics = $$$"

 

Example:

If I buy a restored book at three times the restored value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on restoration.

 

If I buy an overpriced book at three times the market value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on the market value of the book.

 

These examples aren't that different if your only perspective is what the book is worth when you try to resell it back to the market.

 

I don't think MM was defending anything criminal that the other guy allegedly did but if I've identified his perspective accurately then overpaying for a book because of "(insert anything)" is something the buyer needs to protect himself against.

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

 

Except he's specifically said that if someone gets suckered that it's their own fault.

 

That sounds a lot like excusing bad behavior, failure to disclose, and deceptive practices as being the failure of the victim instead of the culpability being on the person doing the "suckering".

That's why my carefully worded examples were equal monetarily. One included the blasphemous non-disclosure while the other addressed the sometimes discussed "sellers asking price".

I consider the examples equal when it comes to someone getting suckered. Some don't feel that way.

 

 

True, I think the opposition and prickliness comes from getting lectured by a guy who made a single notable purchase during the Carter administration and has been riding it ever since...swinging it like an even shrinking hammer (Freudian allusion intended) at everyone else in the hobby as if it empowers him to question the manhood of every other collector and entitling him to act as the collecting guidance counselor that no one asked for or wants.

 

As a sports analogy he the aging guy who made a TD pass once, in high school, and ever since reminds everyone of that pass even though it's a distant memory of ever wilting relevancy.

Speedy-D

Speedy-D

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Maybe all MM is saying is the same that many others say here - buyer beware but he doesn't mix the ethics with the dollar signs.

It's all dollar signs - "comics = $$$"

 

Example:

If I buy a restored book at three times the restored value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on restoration.

 

If I buy an overpriced book at three times the market value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on the market value of the book.

 

These examples aren't that different if your only perspective is what the book is worth when you try to resell it back to the market.

 

I don't think MM was defending anything criminal that the other guy allegedly did but if I've identified his perspective accurately then overpaying for a book because of "(insert anything)" is something the buyer needs to protect himself against.

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

 

Except he's specifically said that if someone gets suckered that it's their own fault.

 

That sounds a lot like excusing bad behavior, failure to disclose, and deceptive practices as being the failure of the victim instead of the culpability being on the person doing the "suckering".

That's why my carefully worded examples were equal monetarily. One included the blasphemous non-disclosure while the other addressed the sometimes discussed "sellers asking price".

I consider the examples equal when it comes to someone getting suckered. Some don't feel that way.

 

 

True, I think the opposition and prickliness comes from getting lectured by a guy who made a single notable purchase during the Carter administration and has been riding it ever since...swinging it like an even shrinking hammer (Freudian allusion intended) at everyone else in the hobby as if it empowers him to question the manhood of every other collector and entitling him to act as the collecting guidance counselor that no one asked for or wants.

 

As a sports analogy he the aging guy who made a TD pass once, in high school, and ever since reminds everyone of that pass even though it's a distant memory of ever wilting relevancy.

Now I think I'm going down to the well tonight

and I'm going to drink till I get my fill

And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it

but I probably will

Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture

a little of the glory of, well time slips away

and leaves you with nothing mister but

boring stories of glory days

comix4fun

comix4fun

Posted
Posted
Maybe all MM is saying is the same that many others say here - buyer beware but he doesn't mix the ethics with the dollar signs.

It's all dollar signs - "comics = $$$"

 

Example:

If I buy a restored book at three times the restored value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on restoration.

 

If I buy an overpriced book at three times the market value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on the market value of the book.

 

These examples aren't that different if your only perspective is what the book is worth when you try to resell it back to the market.

 

I don't think MM was defending anything criminal that the other guy allegedly did but if I've identified his perspective accurately then overpaying for a book because of "(insert anything)" is something the buyer needs to protect himself against.

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

 

Except he's specifically said that if someone gets suckered that it's their own fault.

 

That sounds a lot like excusing bad behavior, failure to disclose, and deceptive practices as being the failure of the victim instead of the culpability being on the person doing the "suckering".

That's why my carefully worded examples were equal monetarily. One included the blasphemous non-disclosure while the other addressed the sometimes discussed "sellers asking price".

I consider the examples equal when it comes to someone getting suckered. Some don't feel that way.

 

 

True, I think the opposition and prickliness comes from getting lectured by a guy who made a single notable purchase during the Carter administration and has been riding it ever since...swinging it like an even shrinking hammer (Freudian allusion intended) at everyone else in the hobby as if it empowers him to question the manhood of every other collector and entitling him to act as the collecting guidance counselor that no one asked for or wants.

 

As a sports analogy he the aging guy who made a TD pass once, in high school, and ever since reminds everyone of that pass even though it's a distant memory of ever wilting relevancy.

Now I think I'm going down to the well tonight

and I'm going to drink till I get my fill

And I hope when I get old I don't sit around thinking about it

but I probably will

Yeah, just sitting back trying to recapture

a little of the glory of, well time slips away

and leaves you with nothing mister but

boring stories of glory days

 

 

I had a friend was a big baseball player

back in high school

He could throw that speedball by you.

Make you look like a fool, boy.

Buzzetta

Buzzetta

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Posted
Maybe all MM is saying is the same that many others say here - buyer beware but he doesn't mix the ethics with the dollar signs.

It's all dollar signs - "comics = $$$"

 

Example:

If I buy a restored book at three times the restored value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on restoration.

 

If I buy an overpriced book at three times the market value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on the market value of the book.

 

These examples aren't that different if your only perspective is what the book is worth when you try to resell it back to the market.

 

I don't think MM was defending anything criminal that the other guy allegedly did but if I've identified his perspective accurately then overpaying for a book because of "(insert anything)" is something the buyer needs to protect himself against.

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

 

Except he's specifically said that if someone gets suckered that it's their own fault.

 

That sounds a lot like excusing bad behavior, failure to disclose, and deceptive practices as being the failure of the victim instead of the culpability being on the person doing the "suckering".

That's why my carefully worded examples were equal monetarily. One included the blasphemous non-disclosure while the other addressed the sometimes discussed "sellers asking price".

I consider the examples equal when it comes to someone getting suckered. Some don't feel that way.

 

I would disagree and with what I believe to be sound reason. A book that is overpriced is a matter of subjective terms. What you consider "overpriced" I may not and vice versa. Value of an object is determined by obvious "supply and demand" relationships but it is also determined by perceived value. How many people felt that (Book of your choice) was ridiculously overpriced 5 years ago and now wish they could go back in time and purchase a few copies of it?

 

However, non disclosure of condition, restoration and anything of that nature is inherent fraud. In the above conditions books are priced well above guide in what amounts to a fishing expedition to see if the book will sell at that requested price. The dealer runs the risk of trying to make money off of fewer sales. This is how pricing theory works.

 

When you sell a book that is restored as unrestored, you are misrepresenting the product. You are rolling back the speedometer, switching coat tags, or changing the date stamp on the milk. It is inherent and calculated fraud.

Prince Namor

Prince Namor

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We you buy a book YOU have to be responsible for yourself, if you take chance without the backing of the cgc...just be aware that anything can happen and do not crybaby after it does.

 

Good advice for anyone looking for a NM Phantom Lady #17 at 1000X OSPG.

bababooey

bababooey

Posted
Posted
Maybe all MM is saying is the same that many others say here - buyer beware but he doesn't mix the ethics with the dollar signs.

It's all dollar signs - "comics = $$$"

 

Example:

If I buy a restored book at three times the restored value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on restoration.

 

If I buy an overpriced book at three times the market value, I have overpaid for the book - the reason I overpaid is because I "the buyer" failed to educate myself on the market value of the book.

 

These examples aren't that different if your only perspective is what the book is worth when you try to resell it back to the market.

 

I don't think MM was defending anything criminal that the other guy allegedly did but if I've identified his perspective accurately then overpaying for a book because of "(insert anything)" is something the buyer needs to protect himself against.

 

(shrug)

 

 

 

 

 

Except he's specifically said that if someone gets suckered that it's their own fault.

 

That sounds a lot like excusing bad behavior, failure to disclose, and deceptive practices as being the failure of the victim instead of the culpability being on the person doing the "suckering".

That's why my carefully worded examples were equal monetarily. One included the blasphemous non-disclosure while the other addressed the sometimes discussed "sellers asking price".

I consider the examples equal when it comes to someone getting suckered. Some don't feel that way.

 

I would disagree and with what I believe to be sound reason. A book that is overpriced is a matter of subjective terms. What you consider "overpriced" I may not and vice versa. Value of an object is determined by obvious "supply and demand" relationships but it is also determined by perceived value. How many people felt that (Book of your choice) was ridiculously overpriced 5 years ago and now wish they could go back in time and purchase a few copies of it?

 

However, non disclosure of condition, restoration and anything of that nature is inherent fraud. In the above conditions books are priced well above guide in what amounts to a fishing expedition to see if the book will sell at that requested price. The dealer runs the risk of trying to make money off of fewer sales. This is how pricing theory works.

 

When you sell a book that is restored as unrestored, you are misrepresenting the product. You are rolling back the speedometer, switching coat tags, or changing the date stamp on the milk. It is inherent and calculated fraud.

'Suckered' as a term was relative to the buyers end result; 'value lost' by the buyer as a result of doing the deal.

 

In both of my earlier examples the buyer received something that was essentially worth 1/3 of what they had just paid. The dealers ethics in my examples are different, one is undoubtedly wrong the other is well within his rights (according to you & others) yet the buyer in both instances is still a sucker for overpaying for the book.

 

With resto, if you're going to say "anything of that nature" you need to define it better before calling it 'inherent & calculated fraud' - - opinions vary & some questions don't get answered unless they are asked.

 

Speedy-D

Speedy-D

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We you buy a book YOU have to be responsible for yourself, if you take chance without the backing of the cgc...just be aware that anything can happen and do not crybaby after it does.

 

Good advice for anyone looking for a NM Phantom Lady #17 at 1000X OSPG.

:roflmao: ZING!!!

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