divad Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/6/2023 at 12:12 PM, PeterPark said: On 2/6/2023 at 12:02 PM, divad said: Btw, Thor 385 is getting some nice looks. why? I think it may have something to do with the cover??? PeterPark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littledoom Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/6/2023 at 1:48 PM, divad said: I think it may have something to do with the cover??? that's been a desirable cover for years divad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 On 2/6/2023 at 3:12 PM, PeterPark said: why? Because one copy recently sold for crazy money but all other copies have sold for a few dollars. Sounds smoking hot! littledoom, MAR1979 and divad 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/6/2023 at 4:48 PM, divad said: I think it may have something to do with the cover??? $58 is pretty good divad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/5/2023 at 9:44 PM, kimik said: Um......based on real sales at shows since 2018, there are plenty of Copper collectors outside of the 9.8 collectors. They are buying VF or better raw books to build runs. The suckers who were speculating on Copper were the 9.8 crowd, not the collectors buying 9.6 and lower grade copies. Those grades never really spiked. I am selling all sorts of Marvel, DC, Indie copper books at shows, from titles I consider drek (e.g. Groo - I keep selling what I add to boxes at above guide) to ASM/Batman/X-Men. Despite the massive print runs relative to today, most copies at LCSs are FN-ish in grade as 1) people used to read books back then and 2) most stores that were around back then have long since cleaned out their back stock (that may not have even been bagged so the copies had storage damage to begin with). VF or better copies sell well when bagged & boarded and priced/graded accurately. Copper books are hitting 40 years old now - they are considered vintage by collectors in their 20s, and there are more out there than most people realize. Early CA books are roughly the same age as mid-40s GA books were when I was collecting in the early CA kimik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/5/2023 at 10:17 PM, Lazyboy said: The vast majority of collectors are absolutely not focused on 9.8(+) grades. There is high demand for a lot of Copper stuff, but most prices are fairly low because there is also significant supply. I can only assume he means "paying a big premium" MAR1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/6/2023 at 5:52 PM, 1Cool said: Because one copy recently sold for crazy money but all other copies have sold for a few dollars. Sounds smoking hot! Thor 385 has sold well for a long time. I don't know why, it has an ugly cover, but these Hulk classic battle covers seem to do well. mr_highgrade and littledoom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2023 at 2:20 AM, the blob said: Early CA books are roughly the same age as mid-40s GA books were when I was collecting in the early CA The big difference, of course, is that the Golden Age books were largely tossed away as disposable entertainment (or recycled to be used for the war effort in some way), and by the time the Copper Age rolled around, collecting them as a hobby was in full swing and many people preserved them in top condition. MAR1979 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2023 at 9:35 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said: The big difference, of course, is that the Golden Age books were largely tossed away as disposable entertainment (or recycled to be used for the war effort in some way), and by the time the Copper Age rolled around, collecting them as a hobby was in full swing and many people preserved them in top condition. They think they stored them in top condition. Most CA collections I am seeing now are VFish on average, and that includes store backstock I have been offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeeksAreMyPeeps Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2023 at 5:10 PM, kimik said: They think they stored them in top condition. Most CA collections I am seeing now are VFish on average, and that includes store backstock I have been offered. Fair enough. Store backstock I can definitely understand because customers aren't so keen to ensure maintaining the condition of the books that they're not interested in buying, and books in box that are part empty tend to get bent if they're leaning over. But certainly far more attention was paid to the condition than people did 20-40 years prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimik Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/7/2023 at 3:50 PM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said: Fair enough. Store backstock I can definitely understand because customers aren't so keen to ensure maintaining the condition of the books that they're not interested in buying, and books in box that are part empty tend to get bent if they're leaning over. But certainly far more attention was paid to the condition than people did 20-40 years prior. I am finding that most stores either just stuffed longs with unbagged books or bagged the books individually but without boards to save space. In most cases the boxes were not full and tight, so they have spine bends/creases or corner bends in addition to damaged top edges from being thumbed through occasionally. The only stores I have had luck with are those that still had sealed cases from the 80s. I agree with you that more people looked after their books in the 80s than 20-40 years earlier, but grading was also much looser back then than it is today. A lot of "NM" books from back then are really VF/VF+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofComics.Com Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/4/2023 at 6:48 PM, divad said: Bats and Spideys for the most part, which of course are the stalwarts of any rebound. The lingua franca of comics! divad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HouseofComics.Com Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 On 2/6/2023 at 11:24 PM, the blob said: Thor 385 has sold well for a long time. I don't know why, it has an ugly cover, but these Hulk classic battle covers seem to do well. Also, first Erik Larsen work at Marvel. And oddly, scripted by Stan Lee. wormboy, divad, THE_BEYONDER and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the blob Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/7/2023 at 11:35 AM, GeeksAreMyPeeps said: The big difference, of course, is that the Golden Age books were largely tossed away as disposable entertainment (or recycled to be used for the war effort in some way), and by the time the Copper Age rolled around, collecting them as a hobby was in full swing and many people preserved them in top condition. Except, apparently, the Disney ducks books, someone kept most of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) On 2/6/2023 at 2:52 PM, 1Cool said: Because one copy recently sold for crazy money but all other copies have sold for a few dollars. Sounds smoking hot! Someone needs another pee and vinegar to improve his disposition. Edited February 8 by divad PeterPark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divad Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/6/2023 at 11:20 PM, the blob said: Early CA books are roughly the same age as mid-40s GA books were when I was collecting in the early CA Is it just me or is this just half a thought? . . . maybe just a burp now that I read it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPark Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 On 2/8/2023 at 1:36 AM, divad said: Is it just me or is this just half a thought? . . . maybe just a burp now that I read it again. Seemed like just a little perspective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1Cool Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) On 2/8/2023 at 1:26 AM, divad said: Someone needs another pee and vinegar to improve his disposition. I’ve heard of someone being full of pee and vinegar but I’ve not heard your version before. We have been doing this for well over a decade. You typically post up a handful of books that you sold for high dollars and then I say it doesn’t make any of them hot books (I don’t think any have really even become hot which is surprising). I guess we at least are consistent over the years. Edited February 8 by 1Cool littledoom and divad 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readcomix Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/7/2023 at 2:24 AM, the blob said: Thor 385 has sold well for a long time. I don't know why, it has an ugly cover, but these Hulk classic battle covers seem to do well. Also a pretty long, full slugfest between the two. Not all of their fights amount to much (see Hulk 255). This one, Defenders 10, and their first one-on-one brawl, JIM 112, are the only extensive ones that I recall off the top of my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomtown Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 On 2/7/2023 at 3:17 PM, HouseofComics.Com said: Also, first Erik Larsen work at Marvel. And oddly, scripted by Stan Lee. Had to go look through my collection on why I don't remember this book. I'm a Larsen fan but teaming a young Larsen with Vince Colletta is just about the ugliest work I have ever seen in a Marvel book ( that includes the Frank Robbins Captain America mess of a run). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
