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Uh oh, Man of Steel plummets at box office

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DeliBebek

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Pacific Rim looks silly.
I see you didn't watch giant robot/monster TV shows as a kid :baiting:

 

This is true.

lol

Well,I did and it looks awesome.

The movie is very honest about what it is - giant robots fighting giant monsters from the sea.
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Is it even possible in this day and age for a movie to bomb?

Yes, it is. Here's an example:

 

Oz The Great And Powerful (2013)

 

Production Budget: 215M

Marketing Budget (est.): 105M (roughly half of the production cost, which is average for blockbuster films)

Total Costs: 320M

 

US Gross: 235M

US Net: 129M (55% of the gross)

 

Foreign Gross: 257M

Foreign Net: 51M

 

Total Net: 180M

 

So, this film needs to make almost 140M net in DVD sales just to break even. To understand what this means, Marvel's The Avengers has made 95M gross in the US so far, which translates to roughly 60M net in the US and probably 2 times that in the rest of the world (which is arguable).

 

So, the Oz movie will need to make close to Avengers numbers in DVD sales in order to break even or be slightly profitable. I'm guessing It won't.

 

And this is only one example. There are many...

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

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Is it even possible in this day and age for a movie to bomb? Even universally panned films still seem to make a profit, once the worldwide box office and DVD/blu-ray sales come rolling in. It seems there are two results for big budget movies these days; unbridled success or mild disappointment. In my day, we had REAL bombs like Cutthroat Island, and they were glorious!!

 

The population of planet earth has become so large that virtually any moronic idea is successful as long as it's widely distributed.

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Is it even possible in this day and age for a movie to bomb?

Yes, it is. Here's an example:

 

Oz The Great And Powerful (2013)

 

Production Budget: 215M

Marketing Budget (est.): 105M (roughly half of the production cost, which is average for blockbuster films)

Total Costs: 320M

 

US Gross: 235M

US Net: 129M (55% of the gross)

 

Foreign Gross: 257M

Foreign Net: 51M

 

Total Net: 180M

 

So, this film needs to make almost 140M net in DVD sales just to break even. To understand what this means, Marvel's The Avengers has made 95M gross in the US so far, which translates to roughly 60M net in the US and probably 2 times that in the rest of the world (which is arguable).

 

So, the Oz movie will need to make close to Avengers numbers in DVD sales in order to break even or be slightly profitable. I'm guessing It won't.

 

And this is only one example. There are many...

 

run those #'s on Green Lantern or John Carter and you'll see what a real bomb looks like

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

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Man of Steel was followed up by a highly anticipated Pixar sequel. It kind of makes sense that there would be a dropoff when you throw in a PG-13 rated zombie movie with Brad Pitt in it.

 

"Still, at $210 million it's already topped the final tally of Superman Returns ($200 million); if the bleeding slows down next weekend, the movie could still ultimately wind up with over $300 million...

 

While Man of Steel fell off at the domestic box office, it thrived overseas this weekend...The movie has already earned $188.3 million, which is just a bit lower than Superman Returns's $191 million; it reaches Australia next weekend, Brazil in July, and Japan in August."

 

With July 4th weekend ahead, plus some mega-foreign markets, "plummets' may be a bit premature.

 

 

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

 

I saw a Batman movie based on the Adam West tv show. Turns out it was a porn parody. I would rank it above Batman and Robin and Batman Forever.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

 

I saw a Batman movie based on the Adam West tv show. Turns out it was a porn parody. I would rank it above Batman and Robin and Batman Forever.

 

please say King Tut was in it....and Bookworm

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

 

I saw a Batman movie based on the Adam West tv show. Turns out it was a porn parody. I would rank it above Batman and Robin and Batman Forever.

 

I would agree, even though I've not seen the parody.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

 

I saw a Batman movie based on the Adam West tv show. Turns out it was a porn parody. I would rank it above Batman and Robin and Batman Forever.

 

lol

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please say King Tut was in it....and Bookworm

 

Could be. All I remember was Alexis Texas.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

 

I get that, but this is freakin' Superman, not Blade or Watchmen.

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The younger demographic that wants to see Man of Steel are now going to Monsters University, which probably plays a part. As much as my 11-year old step-son loved Superman, he's had MU on his mind for three days now.

 

 

This is the real problem with MOS: it really doesn't connect with the 12-and-under crowd, and that is a lot of lost revenue. My 10-year-old daughter doesn't want to see it. "It's too much for grown ups," she explains. My 8-year-old son saw it, and he was understandably lost much of the time during MOS. But play Superman The Movie for him and he follows it.

 

I understand DC/Nolan are trying to make the DC character library "more realistic," but they should never forget these characters were marketed 75 years ago for CHILDREN. Marvel gets that, and keeps light-hearted moments in much of what one sees in Avengers, ASM, the IM films, Cap, etc. My kids and their friends love almost all of the Marvel films.

 

In MOS, how often do you see Superman helping a child? There is a great scene in Superman The Movie where the Reeves version flies down to take a cat down from a tree and give it back to its owner, a kid. It's moments like that whereby kids "connect" to the movie.

 

One of my son's friends went to see MOS with us and asked, "why don't they call the movie 'Superman'"?

 

You are absolutely correct - the movie is not marketed or made for children.

 

I for one am thankful for that.

 

With Nolan at the helm it was never going to be.

 

I find that extremely depressing.

 

It will either prove to be a popular move or not. Either way there are still plenty of other versions of the Superman story already out there, more than enough to keep everybody happy.

 

Precisely. Nolan's mandate regarding a more serious, grittier Superman film is no reason for anxiety.

 

I just find it depressing that parents have to even ask if it's OK to take their kids to see a Superman movie. It's not surprising though as this sort of junk has been going on in the comics for years since the whole grim and gritty era began.

 

For the most part however, comic-based films are just fine for kids. This one is one of the exceptions.

 

I get that, but this is freakin' Superman, not Blade or Watchmen.

 

So the kids have to wait until they're 10 or maybe 11. Not the end of the world.

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Is it even possible in this day and age for a movie to bomb? Even universally panned films still seem to make a profit, once the worldwide box office and DVD/blu-ray sales come rolling in. It seems there are two results for big budget movies these days; unbridled success or mild disappointment. In my day, we had REAL bombs like Cutthroat Island, and they were glorious!!

 

The population of planet earth has become so large that virtually any moronic idea is successful as long as it's widely distributed.

Pfft, I couldn't disagree with you more! Now if you'll excuse me, I'm on my way to see The Fastest and the Most Furious 11. Dont know what its about, but I hear there's a cool driving scene! :wishluck:

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