PGM Fantastic Four #67 (A)

[vaillant]

Time to grade properly my few FF #67 I have picked in my quest for a copy which satisfies me of this issue.

This was my original copy – a nice VF range book with minor wear, and I still love it but unfortunately the bottom staple got detached from the cover and I fixed it with (removable) archival tape and neatly re-stapled it (with its original staple).

It was pretty firm, but with the Silver Age books of this period it is a thing which can happen unexpectedly.

 

I would appreciate your thoughts very much on how you think the detached staple defect affects the grade. I usually downgrade of two units for that, as it seems it's how CGC treats the unfortunate incident.

Many thanks in advance! (thumbs u

 

 

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[marvelcollector]

8.5 Q...or..3.5...?

[vaillant]

Thanks, Wayne. (thumbs u

 

I don’t like Q grades, I just wished to hear the others with CGC expertise how much a 7.5/8.0 or so like this one would be downgraded. 3.5 feels really too slow – as much as I don’t like detached staples it still is a nice book, so I was thinking in the 5.0/5.5 range?

[BarryAllen]

staples are a hot subject...

 

From what I understand, detached or popped staples get hammered by CGC and they have gotten really good at spotting ones that have been removed and reinstalled.

 

I am in the range of marvel collector:

8.0 Green

or

4.0 Blue

[vaillant]

Thanks rfoii. But I guess it would be an 8.0 Green, just in case, as the repair I made can be removed and it woul get a "Qualified".

 

But, stated I don’t like to consider "Qualified" grades, still a 4.0 sounds too harsh from me. That was the old Overstreet custom, to downgrade to a VG no matter the initial grade. From what I get, CGC does not downgrade more than 2-2.5 points for a cover detached at a single staple, and I think it degrades about 1 point for a centerfold detached at one staple.

 

Could anyone with more expertise chime in? That would be great. (thumbs u

[BarryAllen]

Thanks rfoii. But I guess it would be an 8.0 Green, just in case, as the repair I made can be removed and it woul get a "Qualified".

 

But, stated I don’t like to consider "Qualified" grades, still a 4.0 sounds too harsh from me. That was the old Overstreet custom, to downgrade to a VG no matter the initial grade. From what I get, CGC does not downgrade more than 2-2.5 points for a cover detached at a single staple, and I think it degrades about 1 point for a centerfold detached at one staple.

 

Could anyone with more expertise chime in? That would be great. (thumbs u

 

You're right on the Green, my bad. I updated my post.

 

To your point, I hope someone with more specific experience with the CGC and staples chimes in.

[ARK]

6.0

 

There have been examples shown on the boards of CGC 6.5s Blue with popped staples.

 

One of the Overstreet Grading Guides also shows 6.5 with popped bottom staple.

[vaillant]

Thanks. Yes, I thought a cover detached from a single staple was downgraded 2 points maximum, so calling this a 7.5 to play safe I thought 5.5 or so…

[marvelcollector]

Thanks, Wayne. (thumbs u

 

I don’t like Q grades, I just wished to hear the others with CGC expertise how much a 7.5/8.0 or so like this one would be downgraded. 3.5 feels really too slow – as much as I don’t like detached staples it still is a nice book, so I was thinking in the 5.0/5.5 range?

 

Yes, I'm sure you're right. Might be graded even a hair higher.

 

Just my personal (extreme) downgrade...

[vaillant]

I’m calling it a 5.5 with the defect to play safe.

 

Case closed – thanks to everyone which helped! (thumbs u