I just have to bring this up again

[jbud73]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

[COI]

It is unacceptable in my mind. To "out' someone on this site. Without their doing it themselves. It is strike worthy, IMO.

 

Kav did not make it public. It is too much to ask, that everyone construct their every word, all over the internet, in order that it not be able to be searched for, in an attempt to find out who they are, so that info could be made public.

 

It is not public info, when someone takes a phrase and googles it, and comes up with a persons personal info.

 

If someone has cheated other members on here, or anywhere else on the internet. Then, yea, okay. But has anyone been cheated out of money or anything else, by Kav? How would you like it if someone did research and posted your personal info, if you had did nothing wrong to deserve that kind of treatment?.

 

It just flat out stinks.

 

Kav was claimed to be a shill. But now, maybe someone owes him an apology for those accusations.

 

Naw, never mind. Few here ever apologize for their transgressions. They just ignore it until the thread goes to the 2nd page. Act like it never happen. Or change their anonymous screen name.

 

Kav is no more than another TBH. Post after post, just to have something to do. I happen to like The Black Hand. He is entertaining sometimes. As is Kav.

 

Just don't read or participate in his threads, if they "bother" you.

 

 

I would like to issue a formal apology to myself for allowing myself to register on this site.

[HarveySwick]

Since when did you have money?

[RockMyAmadeus]

[kav]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

[comix4fun]

Did I miss the motivational seminar?

 

Dammit am I late?

[retrothecollector]

 

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

Tell us how you really feel.

[slym2none]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

I wish I had a HG pedigree book. I'd get it signed just to see if you would have another heart attack.

 

 

However, I do think people can do what they want with their books as they see fit. If that HG pedigree book isn't leaving their collection ever (well, until after they die, anyway) then how is this harming you? Really, how is any of the other books getting signed harming you? Those pedigree books are no longer the OO's, so that point seems moot to me.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

[obmit]

Can you get an SS with an interior signature? Just wondering...

[retrothecollector]

I think getting a book signed by the creator or author is great. Collect what you want. I have 3 SS books in my collection.

[jbud73]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

 

Well a lot of the GA is ok as the creators are often no longer alive. I have to admit to not knowing this, but will CGC authenticate ANYTHING? Like if someone got Romita to sign FF1 would they authenticate the sig? I'm hoping John would decline, but in the event that a creator did actually sign something they didn't have a hand in I HOPE they have a policy for where the authenticators would NOT witness the signature.

 

This issue is obviously near and dear to me, NOTHING makes my stomach turn and blood boil more than Sig Series Pedigrees.... Well there is Slight Resto Pedigrees which is up there as well, color touching a 9.4 Ped to get a 9.6 Those people should be too, but oh wait then there wouldn't be any Old School GA dealers left

[obmit]

Wow.. I don't collect GA or pedigrees, but the anger in here kinda makes me want to buy some and get them SS-ed... by Stan Lee.

[RockMyAmadeus]

[RockMyAmadeus]

Wow.. I don't collect GA or pedigrees, but the anger in here kinda makes me want to buy some and get them SS-ed... by Stan Lee Rob Liefeld.

[slym2none]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

ha ha so you don't think a *person_with_a_brain_the _size_of_a_peanut* should get the Church Action #1 signed by Stan Lee I take it....

 

Well a lot of the GA is ok as the creators are often no longer alive. I have to admit to not knowing this, but will CGC authenticate ANYTHING? Like if someone got Romita to sign FF1 would they authenticate the sig? I'm hoping John would decline, but in the event that a creator did actually sign something they didn't have a hand in I HOPE they have a policy for where the authenticators would NOT witness the signature.

 

This issue is obviously near and dear to me, NOTHING makes my stomach turn and blood boil more than Sig Series Pedigrees.... Well there is Slight Resto Pedigrees which is up there as well, color touching a 9.4 Ped to get a 9.6 Those people should be too, but oh wait then there wouldn't be any Old School GA dealers left

 

Apparently you haven't seen the SS Stan Lee signed reprint of Action #1.

 

If a creator charges for a signature, they should sign whatever you damn well please to put in front of them, IMHO.

 

 

 

-slym

[comix4fun]

Can you get an SS with an interior signature? Just wondering...

 

 

Yes, I have a couple.

[Darkowl]

I think getting a book signed by the creator or author is great. Collect what you want. I have 3 SS books in my collection.

 

+1

 

I personally would rather have Stan's sig on an X-Men 1, than to not have it. In the end, there's always going to be more books that are unsigned, which will only increase the value of signed books. Count me in on the SS books!

[jbud73]

Signatures on books.

At one time it was considered ok to tape a book. To fill in missing ink with crayons, markers.

I believe future collectors will shake their heads in dismay at the signing of books.

You do not alter a collectible-at all. You do not polish up old coins. You do not refinish antique furniture. You do not get the guy who found the dead sea scrolls to sign them.

You leave a collectible ALONE. It is inevitable that one day untouched, un stan-leed books will command a huge premium. When people come to their senses and realize what they are doing.

If you want Stan Lee's signature (why, I don't know-they are as common as dirt)-get him to sign a piece of paper and insert it in the book.

This makes me very very sad.

 

Because comics have always been considered in the 'book' family there will always be the compulsion to have the creators sign them. This is just book culture and it has been around a lot longer than comics themselves so the habit is one that will likely endure moving forward.

 

I am NOT a fan of sig series. I understand the authentication of signatures is a boon to many collectible fields were forgeries are rampant and collectors have been ripped off many time.

 

That said, LEAVE THE HG PEDIGREE BOOKS ALONE for sakes. These are OO copies and if the OO wanted to have the creators sign them then they would have done so. The OO collections didn't survive in tact for decades so that you could get someone to take a felt marker or other device and have them scrawl their names over the cover in hopes that the book is going to worth 10% more than it otherwise would be AS IS, IN HG, with the PEDIGREE DESIGNATION.

 

This actually pissed me off sooooooo much that I do not buy sig series books in general and I wish pedigree collectors would draw a line in the sand on this one and NOT purchase sig series Pedigree Books. Especially the big Pedigrees, everyone who gets a sig series done for a Church Book should get 10 lashes or have a year taken of their existence. I think I saw a CURATOR sig series one and almost threw up in my mouth. A CURATOR!!!!!

 

The sig can NEVER be undone you insufficiently_thoughtful_persons. I swear if I see an Okijima Camp book sig series, that person should spend 1 year in a internment camp and have to write "I will not sig series Pedigree books" on a chalk board for 8 hours a days every day.

 

LEAVE THE PEDIGREE BOOKS out of Sig. Series.

 

I think I need to get T-Shirts made.

 

I wish I had a HG pedigree book. I'd get it signed just to see if you would have another heart attack.

 

 

However, I do think people can do what they want with their books as they see fit. If that HG pedigree book isn't leaving their collection ever (well, until after they die, anyway) then how is this harming you? Really, how is any of the other books getting signed harming you? Those pedigree books are no longer the OO's, so that point seems moot to me.

 

:shrug:

 

 

 

-slym

 

And this is why the concept of possession and ownership is of course lost on some people. My opinion is that collectors are simply taking possession of these items, yes they paid for that possession but given that the item in question will out live them, they will never truly achieve ownership. This is a concept related to antiquities and IMO if the comic book medium is ever really to ascend the preservation of that medium has a role to play in its long term existence.

 

The view point you articulate is not uncommon, so I apologize for singling it out and do not necessarily solely ascribe it to you personally, but it is short sighted and erodes the hobby. It is of course not the only mechanism that does so, but the manufacturing of collectibles, and that is what Sig series is at its core, has almost always NOT stood up well over the course of time or upon reflection.

 

The core Pedigree collections make up the base fabric of this collectible medium, they are the bedrock upon which things are compared too and without them a significant element, that of appreciation would be severely diminished. If you have ever held a Church Timely in your hand, or opened a SA Curator this and have an appreciation for the preservation then this is not lost on you.

[Prince Namor]

Wow.. I don't collect GA or pedigrees, but the anger in here kinda makes me want to buy some and get them SS-ed... by Stan Lee.

 

Seeing the line you have to wait in, it might change your mind.

[obmit]

Can you get an SS with an interior signature? Just wondering...

 

 

Yes, I have a couple.

 

That's pretty cool. I think an interior sig is just as fine, if a sig is all you're getting (i.e. not a sketch). Especially if the sig is the cover artist/colorist, since their signatures are already printed on the outside. All the yellow label really says is "the creator(s) of this cover actually touched this book".. Which makes me wonder even more.. Why doesn't CGC just start a "Touched by.." series..?