GreatCaesarsGhost Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: I think it will land between 900,000 and 1.1 million. Of the two Universal 9.4's that exist I can't find any record of one of them being sold. Just found out there is one 9.8 out there. Thats gotta be the one of the top 4 most valuable comics along with the 2 Action #1 9.0's and the Detective 27 9.2. And since I started writing that previous sentence I just found out that the Cap 1 9.8 used to be a 9.6. How the heck did that happen? I think there’s discussion on this earlier in the thread about how the late great John Verzyl twisted some CGC arms for it . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, lou_fine said: Now, that Cap 1 which you have there is a definite keeper from any collector's point of view. Now that's a perfect grade to have for a Cap 3 in order to keep the price reasonable for what I consider to be the second most valuable Cap book out there. Thanks, Lou. Your observation about the Cap 3 plays right into a nagging voice in the back of my head. As fun as these books are to own, there’s always a pervasive question mark in my head about what kind of bidders will happen to be in the market when it comes time to sell. Like everyone else, I want the bestest and the perfectest, but those wishes are tempered by the realities of the collectibles hobby. Truly, I can’t afford the bestest and the perfectest, so maybe its just rationalization, but its my hope that when the day comes for the auction block, there will be more competitive bidding at the lower end of the pool. What good is a 9.4 if there aren’t 2 guys both of whom want the book and both of whom have the means to buy the book? What if there’s only one of these unicorns out on the playing field at the time of auction? The potential for loss is the 900 pound gorilla always in the room. We all know it and choose to live with it. Anyway, I’ve made peace with the fact that if it strictly were a money making deal, I’d have left my money in the stock market rather than the riskier comic collectibles market. But where would be the fun in that !!?? Edited July 10, 2019 by GreatCaesarsGhost lou_fine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotham Kid Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 9 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: I rounded up a few strays and made em stand still long enough for a group photo My 2 favs: Tec 35 and Bats1 GreatCaesarsGhost and woowoo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Love that Tec 35 GreatCaesarsGhost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabats Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 12 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: I think it will land between 900,000 and 1.1 million. Of the two Universal 9.4's that exist I can't find any record of one of them being sold. Just found out there is one 9.8 out there. Thats gotta be the one of the top 4 most valuable comics along with the 2 Action #1 9.0's and the Detective 27 9.2. And since I started writing that previous sentence I just found out that the Cap 1 9.8 used to be a 9.6. How the heck did that happen? Any price predictions on the Conserved Cap 1 occurring in the November auction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 15 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: And since I started writing that previous sentence I just found out that the Cap 1 9.8 used to be a 9.6. How the heck did that happen? If you are serious and not trying to be sarcastic with your question here, then spending money on slabbed books might not be the best thing for your bank account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluechip Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: I think it will land between 900,000 and 1.1 million. Of the two Universal 9.4's that exist I can't find any record of one of them being sold. Just found out there is one 9.8 out there. Thats gotta be the one of the top 4 most valuable comics along with the 2 Action #1 9.0's and the Detective 27 9.2. And since I started writing that previous sentence I just found out that the Cap 1 9.8 used to be a 9.6. How the heck did that happen? The difference between a 9.6 and 9.8 is not an absolute science; grading is subjective. So, it should be expected that a book might receive a different grade on a different day. Now, you might say a book like that is so specific that the graders are likely to know that individual book and therefore likely to know what it was graded before. But, if they put that knowledge aside they might come up with a genuinely different number. Or -- there might have been some defect that was easily pressed away. Like a slight bend in a corner. If the grader doesn't know that, they will grade it on face value. But even if a grader does know the book once had a bend which is no longer there, it would be odd if they were compelled to grade a book based on a bend which is no longer there. Perhaps it would be less odd if the grading standards were to say, for example, that a bend which is clearly pressable should not have been considered a defect in the first place? May sound odd but when you open a book to read it the book is changed from its "natural" state, but you can close it again. If, somehow, the book was permanently open and could not be closed, that would certainly be a defect. But if you can close it again, it's not a defect. (Which raises the question: if someone submitted a book to CGC and it was opened up, would you expect them not to close it, or to grade it as is and consider it a defect? I've seen books graded which were folded over, and wondered why? Did the person who sent it in not realize it, or perhaps they wanted to highlight an interior page? Did CGC ask if they wanted it graded folded inside out?) Is that considered a defect? Or not. If it's not, does that concept apply to a slight corner bend that doesn't break color or undermine the paper? It could be argued that every time a cover is bent it undermines the paper, if only slightly. But the same is true for every time a book is read. If you bend the cover and pages to read them, you have put some infinitesimal strain on the fibers which cannot be measured. Grading of technical structural flaws is supposed to be about what can be measured. A book that was read carefully and lovingly many times would have endured more stress on its fibers than a book which got a bent corner that was later flattened out. And should it make a difference whether that bend was flattened out last month by someone who pressed it out professionally, versus a bend that was flattened out 80 years ago when the book was simply put at the bottom of a stack of comics? I Edited July 10, 2019 by bluechip Professor K and lou_fine 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhcomics Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 18 hours ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: I rounded up a few strays and made em stand still long enough for a group photo Very cool pic! Thanks for getting the gang together. GreatCaesarsGhost and Primetime 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor K Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 hour ago, lou_fine said: If you are serious and not trying to be sarcastic with your question here, then spending money on slabbed books might not be the best thing for your bank account. What are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: What are you talking about? Lou just means that a few pages back was an extensive discussion about how the 9.6 became a 9.8. He’s a good guy and means you no harm. The timing is just sort of comical, is all Professor K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou_fine Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, GreatCaesarsGhost said: 4 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: What are you talking about? Lou just means that a few pages back was an extensive discussion about how the 9.6 became a 9.8. He’s a good guy and means you no harm. The timing is just sort of comical, is all Actually, a much more extensive discussion of the Allentown Cap 1 took place very recently in this thread here on Page 2 going forward: https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/451962-captain-america-1-cgc-94/page/2/#comments I believe that bluechip also explained it correctly and concisely in his post up above. Bottom-line: Grading is very subjective and nothing more than a grader's opinion at a particular point in time. As a result, what might be viewed as a 9.6 copy one day could just as easily be viewed by the same grader as a 9.8 copy on another day whether or not any enhancement work had been done to the book in the interim. Chicago Boy and GreatCaesarsGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor K Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Ok Thank you. I didn't read all 56 pages of comments to see if that was discussed before I commented on the 9.8. I read Timely's and others explanations of how the 9.6 became a 9.8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/9/2019 at 1:29 AM, Dinosaur jr. said: 9.4 going up for auction in a few days https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/captain-america-comics-1-san-francisco-pedigree-timely-1941-cgc-nm-94-off-white-to-white-pages/p/7211-83001.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 It’s up to $324,000 with BP already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Was the conserved 7.5 moved to the November auction or was that always it’s scheduled date? A universal 5.5 is in this auction. I don’t remember seeing it before. Was the conserved 7.5 moved and the universal 5.5 added? LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne-Tec Posted July 19, 2019 Author Share Posted July 19, 2019 On 7/14/2019 at 10:59 AM, Wayne-Tec said: It’s up to $324,000 with BP already. It’s now up to $360,000 with BP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 19, 2019 Share Posted July 19, 2019 8 hours ago, Wayne-Tec said: It’s now up to $360,000 with BP. How many days left ? Thank goodness this isn’t a CC auction. I’m not getting any younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor K Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Funny how the first 10 to 15 appearances of Superman and Batman (In Action and Detective) go for huge money, but with Captain America Comics issues 4 to about 50 go for close to the same money with only a few exceptions. Well that 9.4 is up to 410K with 11 days to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Dinosaur jr. said: Funny how the first 10 to 15 appearances of Superman and Batman (In Action and Detective) go for huge money, but with Captain America Comics issues 4 to about 50 go for close to the same money with only a few exceptions. Well that 9.4 is up to 410K with 11 days to go. The first 10 Simon & Kirby issues were once treated like royalty. I don’t know why(except for Caps 2 and 3) they’ve faded into the background. Maybe a general perception that they were overpriced. There are no major villains or character developments made, unlike say, Amazing Spider-Man. And some of the covers seem goofy to me. But you are right. The first group of issues don’t seem to get the respect they deserve Professor K 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Boy Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 On 7/21/2019 at 6:20 AM, GreatCaesarsGhost said: The first 10 Simon & Kirby issues were once treated like royalty. I don’t know why(except for Caps 2 and 3) they’ve faded into the background. Maybe a general perception that they were overpriced. There are no major villains or character developments made, unlike say, Amazing Spider-Man. And some of the covers seem goofy to me. But you are right. The first group of issues don’t seem to get the respect they deserve I’ve seen copies from an OO from issue4 up to the infamous issue 13 where some ended being the highest graded on the census. Commanded a big price but no takers till auction from what I saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatCaesarsGhost Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chicago Boy said: I’ve seen copies from an OO from issue4 up to the infamous issue 13 where some ended being the highest graded on the census. Commanded a big price but no takers till auction from what I saw I remember that. They had the 13 on the internet priced at $200k. I think it finally went for $100k in auction. 9.4, it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...