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Signature Series Bizarre Question

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Does CGC seek positive identification from all of the people they authenticate signatures with in their Signature Sedries labelled books?

 

I had this thought when I saw Dice's Evel Knievel signed "To Steve Evel Knievel" in the So when do the GLOD's get their day in the sun... thread here in Comics General. Well, the Qualified notes on the green label say "To Steve" AND NAME WRITTEN ON COVER IN MARKER.

 

So my brain thinks this is weird. Why specify the name "Steve" but not specify the name Evel Knievel, but reduce "Evel Knievel" to simply "AND NAME"?

 

So THEN I think - well maybe they are afraid if they specify "Evel Knievel" on the cover they may be interpreted as authenticating the sighnature.

 

Which immediately led me to the above question. Does CGC seek positive identification from all of the people they authenticate signatures with in their Signature Series labelled books? I mean, do they just go by recognizing the signer? Or if it is at a convention assume the convention officials verify the identification? Or do they actually seek legal identification from everyone who's signture they witness and validate?

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So my brain thinks this is weird. Why specify the name "Steve" but not specify the name Evel Knievel, but reduce "Evel Knievel" to simply "AND NAME"?

 

So THEN I think - well maybe they are afraid if they specify "Evel Knievel" on the cover they may be interpreted as authenticating the sighnature.

 

That's ok.

One day, when I'm more famous than Evel, "Steve" will have his revenge on the naysayers from CGC. devil.gif

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They only give it a SS label if an employee from CGC witnesses the person sign the book.

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Dice - that is not the question.l know CGC only Yellow Labels books signed in front of a GCG witness. My question is, what steps does CGC take to insure the identity of the person signing the book?

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They only give it a SS label if an employee from CGC witnesses the person sign the book.

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Dice - that is not the question.l know CGC only Yellow Labels books signed in front of a GCG witness. My question is, what steps does CGC take to insure the identity of the person signing the book?

 

DNA?

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They only give it a SS label if an employee from CGC witnesses the person sign the book.

gossip.gif

 

Dice - that is not the question.l know CGC only Yellow Labels books signed in front of a GCG witness. My question is, what steps does CGC take to insure the identity of the person signing the book?

 

I think they should get some flack from the Notaries union! 27_laughing.gifinsane.gifhi.gif

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They only give it a SS label if an employee from CGC witnesses the person sign the book.

gossip.gif

 

Dice - that is not the question.l know CGC only Yellow Labels books signed in front of a GCG witness. My question is, what steps does CGC take to insure the identity of the person signing the book?

 

DNA?

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No need to bait. It is a serious and puzzling question. I find the term "AND NAME" instead of saying what name, implies that CGC is trying to seperate themselves from a famous signature which they did not witness. Which naturally leads to how they verify the real identity of these people whose names they DO witness and authenticate.

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I thought I remember seeing universal books with signatures that only appear on the inside but actually specifiying the name even though it wasn't being autenticated. Like the notation said, "Stan Lee written in pen on 1st page." So it is weird that they said "And Name". I guess they could have changed the policy at one point.

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I thought I remember seeing universal books with signatures that only appear on the inside but actually specifiying the name even though it wasn't being autenticated. Like the notation said, "Stan Lee written in pen on 1st page." So it is weird that they said "And Name".

 

Evel's getting kinda old, so maybe they couldn't make it out. 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

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They only give it a SS label if an employee from CGC witnesses the person sign the book.

gossip.gif

 

Dice - that is not the question.l know CGC only Yellow Labels books signed in front of a GCG witness. My question is, what steps does CGC take to insure the identity of the person signing the book?

 

DNA?

poke2.gif

 

No need to bait. It is a serious and puzzling question. I find the term "AND NAME" instead of saying what name, implies that CGC is trying to seperate themselves from a famous signature which they did not witness. Which naturally leads to how they verify the real identity of these people whose names they DO witness and authenticate.

 

Not sure if you're just stating the obvious...or if you've finally cracked. shy.gif

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They only give it a SS label if an employee from CGC witnesses the person sign the book.

gossip.gif

 

Dice - that is not the question.l know CGC only Yellow Labels books signed in front of a GCG witness. My question is, what steps does CGC take to insure the identity of the person signing the book?

 

DNA?

poke2.gif

 

No need to bait. It is a serious and puzzling question. I find the term "AND NAME" instead of saying what name, implies that CGC is trying to seperate themselves from a famous signature which they did not witness. Which naturally leads to how they verify the real identity of these people whose names they DO witness and authenticate.

 

Not sure if you're just stating the obvious...or if you've finally cracked. shy.gif

 

Overanalyzing is a side effect of Viagra. 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

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I thought I remember seeing universal books with signatures that only appear on the inside but actually specifiying the name even though it wasn't being autenticated. Like the notation said, "Stan Lee written in pen on 1st page." So it is weird that they said "And Name".

 

Evel's getting kinda old, so maybe they couldn't make it out. 893scratchchin-thumb.gif

 

Fine but that is now a sidebar at best. The damage has been done. I am genuinely curious what steps CGC takes to authenticate the person who's signature CGC authenticates.

 

And this really is not an anti-CGC post. I am really curious about this, since CGC does make their Sig Series criteria very clear.

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BTW- I have 2 copies of IF 15 that say " John Byrne written on first page in pen/marker"

 

One's an old red label, and the other is a blue label prior to the removal of "NM" from the label. gossip.gif

 

The only ones that say "NAME" are the ones that have a sig on the front cover.

The ones on the inside of the book seem to list what is written in them. confused-smiley-013.gif

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I've looked through about thirty signed/qualified books on eBay, and all of them say "NAME".

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Thanks Dice. It is interesting to see that. I just hope an answer will be forthcoming before this thread gets totally fubar'd. It is as valid an issue as resto detection, pressing etc. I hope folks appreciate the implications in the question.

 

Oh yeah... tongue.gif

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