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Perhaps because Spielberg and Ford both hated the idea for years which is why it took almost two decades for another film to come out. They both finally relented after it was obvious Lucas wasn't budging off of the skull concept.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Jones_and_the_Kingdom_of_the_Crystal_Skull#Development

 

From the link, the skull concept didn't come until after Spielberg was on board for creating another Indiana Jones movie. (shrug) Did you perhaps mean "... budging off of the alien concept."?

 

I've never heard which part of it they didn't like--the crystal skull, the 50s sci-fi elements, or the alien concept--they just didn't like it.

 

I didn't like all 3 elements. It didn't 'feel' like an Indy movie, much like the Star Wars Eps1-3 didn't for me. If Disney does to the Indy franchise what they did with Star Wars, I'm excited.

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HA!! There were a bunch of fun ones.

 

Indiana Jones and the Search for Viagra

 

Indiana Jones and the Secrets of Bladder Control

 

 

I've seen a few lol

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10 Things Nobody Wants to See in Indiana Jones

 

Instead of annoying pop-ups... I will condense it here.

 

10 - Shia LaBeouf as Mutt Williams... still the possibility exists for a slight recast.

9 - A “nuking the fridge” scene - (I, Buzzetta, personally disagree as I think the fall out of the airplane on a rubber raft then 'skiing' down the Himalayas on it with two other peoples was just as absurd.)

8 - Indiana Jones - The Grandpa

7 - A Heavy Handed Time Period - Even Crystal Skull did not do that (according to the article) so here is hoping that they keep the same tone.

6 - Indiana Jones As A One Man Army

5 - Pointless CGI

4 - Relentless References To Previous Movies

3 - Cynical Casting Choices

2 - Adult Short Round

1 - Janusz Kamiński As Cinematographer

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Buzzetta, personally disagree as I think the fall out of the airplane on a rubber raft then 'skiing' down the Himalayas on it with two other peoples was just as absurd.)

 

Loved it. In fact, that movie has one of the more memorable openings to me (poison etc), and from the beginning to the crash, really a nice entry into a movie for me.

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I remember in the mid 80's, I thought it would have been cool if Indy got into an adventure with Nazis with his class on a field trip overseas, like some Greatest American Hero episodes did at the time.

 

Cut me some slack, I was 10. lol

Plus, I always thought it would be nice to see how cool and dangerous young adults in the mid 30's were compared to how they are as grandparents on the modern youth now.

 

It would have been a better way of bringing in a youth audience if cast right (I never cared for If Looks Could Kill myself).

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Buzzetta, personally disagree as I think the fall out of the airplane on a rubber raft then 'skiing' down the Himalayas on it with two other peoples was just as absurd.)

 

Loved it. In fact, that movie has one of the more memorable openings to me (poison etc), and from the beginning to the crash, really a nice entry into a movie for me.

 

I also loved it. I just don't think that jumping into a fridge was any less absurd. I am in the minority. I enjoyed Crystal Skull.

 

I am hoping that whatever Indy V is, that it is not a rehash of the best parts of the first four movies ala Force Awakens.

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Riding on top of a submarine (Raiders), going against a tank with a horse and revolver (Crusade), using a railroad car track as a roller coaster (Temple of Doom), etc.

 

The Indy character helps the ridiculousness of the plot mechanics, by playing it fairly straight with just a wink (the swordsman against the gun- Raiders or shooting 3 Nazis at once in a line- Crusade).

 

Its just that we are not in that era of filmmaking anymore. That's only issue with all these lists of things not to change, I can see. You just can't do fun movies like this without "humanizing" your villains for international box-office reasons. The days of the evil-bumbling Nazis that Dr. Indy easily thwarts is long over. Its why Crystal Skull had so much trouble with its developing character arcs for its baddies. It bogged down everyone's storylines.

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Reported today that Indiana Jones Five will be a continuation of the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull...

 

Perhaps that means that they are bringing back Marion as they are now married?

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Lucas to be executive produce and have a "creative role" in Indy V says Spielberg...

 

Spielberg also admits that The Force Awakens is an homage to SW Episodes IV, V, VI.

 

Buzzetta still says Spielberg can sugar coat it all he wants but that the Force Awakens performs like a vacuum and that the only Star Wars movies are Episodes 1-6.

 

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2016/06/21/spielberg-says-lucas-will-be-involved-creatively-in-new-indiana-jones-film/

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Lucas no longer involved with Indiana Jones

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplacido/2016/10/24/george-lucas-is-no-longer-involved-in-indiana-jones-5/#36c51b4c7cbc

 

 

According to Collider, George Lucas is not going to be involved in the story of Indiana Jones 5, which apparently is a film that’s happening for some reason. The news comes as a surprise, seeing as George Lucas has been heavily involved in the creative direction of every Indiana Jones film so far, and was responsible for creating the character in the first place. Spielberg himself recently stated “Of course I would never make an Indiana Jones film without George Lucas. That would be insane.”

 

And yet here we are, moving on without him. No doubt, the critical shredding of the last film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, had something to do with the decision to move forward without Lucas. Spielberg claimed Lucas pushed the aliens/interdimensional beings/whatever-they-were into the story despite Spielberg’s strong reluctance. The shift from fantasy to sci-fi, the shoehorned-in shot of Indy and the UFO, and of course the infamous lead-lined fridge were all heavily mocked by fans and critics alike.

 

Aliens didn’t quite fit Indiana Jones universe, which has traditionally used religious artifacts as macguffins. Although the shift in direction actually made sense considering the 1950’s setting of the film, which coincided with the American public’s fascination with little green men. But in practise, the aliens felt oddly out of place and the film felt like a questionable spin-off rather than a direct sequel to the franchise. (I still argue that as bad as Crystal Skull was, it was nothing like as bad as Temple of Doom).

 

But it seems that nobody wants to give poor George Lucas and his increasingly bizarre ideas the time of day anymore. When Disney bought the rights to Star Wars, they gave Lucas the title of creative consultant. This involved Lucas sitting in on story meetings and eagerly pitching ideas, all of which were completely ignored, like a hapless intern who won’t stop trying to contribute.

 

Lucas was said to be hugely disappointed in The Force Awakens and likened his relationship to the franchise as a divorce. It seems that Lucas is now divorced from the second iconic franchise which he created. The poor man’s legacy has been torn out of his hands.

 

Lucas may have created two of the most popular and influential franchises of all time, but it only takes a single viewing of any scene from the Star Wars prequels to realize just how terrible his writing can get. “From my point of view the Jedi are evil!”

 

George Lucas at his unrestrained worst reads like hopeless fan fiction. At his best, he distilled the countless sci-fi and adventure stories that had come before and created new stories that resonated with the public for decades. It’s interesting to wonder when exactly he lost that ability. But the original Star Wars trilogy was full of terrible one-liners too, and Lucas’s infamous tweaking with the original edits suggests that perhaps he was surrounded by people more talented than he was, and was restrained from implementing his worst ideas.

 

Lucas may not be involved in the latest Indiana Jones revival, but that’s no guarantee of the upcoming film’s quality. After all, Harrison Ford is over seventy years-old, and despite the recent trend of elderly action heroes, the sight of a geriatric Indiana Jones struggling to leap from moving vehicles and crack that brittle old whip was part of the reason Crystal Skull was so depressing. Jones was meant to be the embodiment of vitality and energy, who always escaped just in time. Regardless of what the macguffin or the setting is going to be, I’m not sure that anyone can save old Indiana now.

 

Perhaps, like George Lucas, it’s time to bid the agile archaeologist farewell and accept that, despite everything he’s accomplished, things just aren’t the same any more.

 

 

 

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Indiana Jones 5 In The Thinking Stages

 

A few facts about the next installment in the Indiana Jones saga have been revealed, like the July 19, 2019 release date, that it will be directed by Steven Spielberg, star Harrison Ford, and feature a screenplay by David Koepp.

 

In a recent interview, producer Frank Marshall was questioned about how far along the process of developing the new Indiana Jones adventure has gotten.

 

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"That's still in the thinking stages," the legendary producer says. When pushed for any details about which cast members could return, he admitted, "I don't know, because that's one I'm not involved in until they come up with the idea and the plan of where they want to go," adding, "Then I get involved."

 

 

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I am guessing we are going to see a movie that takes place in the 1960's. They need to throw more communists at Indy though. I am also guessing that trying to find a McGuffin is the hard part.

 

Chronologically:

 

Temple of Doom: 1930's - Archeological adventure - emulates 1930's serials

Raiders: 1930's - vs Nazi's - religious artifact to be used by the German war machine - emulates 1930's serials

Crusade: 1930's - vs Nazi's - religious artifact to be used by the German war machine - emulates 1930's serials

Kingdom: 1950's - vs Communists - sci fi McGuffin - emulates 1950's b-movies

 

1960's... what type of genre is really reflective of the time? Will we get a sort of road adventure movie or more sci-fi? Perhaps Indy goes straight up against the communists in some sort of JFK assassination or uncover's a plot to retrieve a National Treasure type of thing... I am curious to see what they can do with an Indiana Jones set in the 1960's, because that is clearly the period they can shoot for given Ford's age.

 

 

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