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comix4fun

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How is this all that different from the dozens of sales listing posted here saying book just got graded by CGC, but isn't yet in hand.

I don't approve of either tactic, personally.

 

I hate those pre-sells

 

The difference? Those sellers actually own the books they're offering.

 

 

:cloud9: Facts and common sense distinctions.

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namisgr

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if someone made an offer for a book you had in a sales thread, you agreed on a price, and before it was even paid for the book was listed on eBay for more than double the agreed on price? Please keep in mind I am not complaining about what they are asking, as I could have done the same thing, but the fact they are using my scan and could possibly sell a book before they completed the original transaction.

 

Out this azzclown

 

That goes beyond bad form

 

Right! That seems slimey to me. :P

 

+1

 

Out him ......................................................... :baiting:

What's so bad about it?

 

When one sells a comic they don't actually have in their possession, the following issues can arise:

1. The comic may not arrive before the second buyer expects to have it in their own possession.

2. The comic may arrive damaged. Or not at all.

3. The comic may arrive with a defect or important feature not known to the first buyer until the book is in hand.

 

To sell an item that you don't currently have in your possession, or in the case of a consignment/auction item have ever had in your possession, is at best a poor business practice, if not outright deceitful to the second buyer of the item.

 

All of these things could happen to books on route back from CGC (other then the last one I guess but I don't think Joey ever said the book was raw) and we seem to have no issue with this scenario.

 

 

I may be in the minority, but believe it wrong for sellers to offer slabbed comics for sale before they are back from CGC.

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comix4fun

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I'm just waiting for the forum detectives to search some history, and post the offending purchase for all to see. :popcorn:

 

:whistle:

 

I'm getting the feeling the buyer will be along to post his/her side of things shortly......

So how about giving them the benefit of the doubt before publicly labeling them a tool?

There may very well be a set time limit between Joey and the buyer for payment that hasn't expired yet.

You are rushing to judgement without all the details.

 

No one is getting outed.

 

No time for payment, but technically I still own the book. If it sells on eBay would I be entitled to the full amount of the sale? Could I cancel the sale and still be justified in doing so?

 

I asked the question because it is not sitting right with me. Once the sale is completed and the book shipped, I don't care if the owner uses it as a Frisbee, but that is not yet the case here.

 

 

You still own the book, he has rights to buy it. If he doesn't perform in the time you specify you could cancel the sale for lack of performance. I'd start by making a demand for payment.

 

And I understand your frustration, he's playing the field with your money right now. It's a wonder, man, that people don't feel this type of behavior needs to be avenged. 9 times out of 10 people will see the poor behavior in a situation like this.

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MCMiles

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if someone made an offer for a book you had in a sales thread, you agreed on a price, and before it was even paid for the book was listed on eBay for more than double the agreed on price? Please keep in mind I am not complaining about what they are asking, as I could have done the same thing, but the fact they are using my scan and could possibly sell a book before they completed the original transaction.

 

Out this azzclown

 

That goes beyond bad form

 

Right! That seems slimey to me. :P

 

+1

 

Out him ......................................................... :baiting:

What's so bad about it?

 

When one sells a comic they don't actually have in their possession, the following issues can arise:

1. The comic may not arrive before the second buyer expects to have it in their own possession.

2. The comic may arrive damaged. Or not at all.

3. The comic may arrive with a defect or important feature not known to the first buyer until the book is in hand.

 

To sell an item that you don't currently have in your possession, or in the case of a consignment/auction item have ever had in your possession, is at best a poor business practice, if not outright deceitful to the second buyer of the item.

 

All of these things could happen to books on route back from CGC (other then the last one I guess but I don't think Joey ever said the book was raw) and we seem to have no issue with this scenario.

 

 

I may be in the minority, but believe it wrong for sellers to offer slabbed comics for sale before they are back from CGC.

I'm not a fan of it and skip right past those threads.

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budsbundy

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I'm just waiting for the forum detectives to search some history, and post the offending purchase for all to see. :popcorn:

 

:whistle:

 

I'm getting the feeling the buyer will be along to post his/her side of things shortly......

So how about giving them the benefit of the doubt before publicly labeling them a tool?

There may very well be a set time limit between Joey and the buyer for payment that hasn't expired yet.

You are rushing to judgement without all the details.

 

No one is getting outed.

 

No time for payment, but technically I still own the book. If it sells on eBay would I be entitled to the full amount of the sale? Could I cancel the sale and still be justified in doing so?

 

I asked the question because it is not sitting right with me. Once the sale is completed and the book shipped, I don't care if the owner uses it as a Frisbee, but that is not yet the case here.

Well there it is than, the missing payment details

Have you contacted the buyer since you saw their ebay ad to express your concerns?

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Buzzetta

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Personally I don't sell anything that I do not have in hand.

 

However, I have no problem buying from others when they state the book are back on their way from CGC.

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thunsicker

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I'm just waiting for the forum detectives to search some history, and post the offending purchase for all to see. :popcorn:

 

:whistle:

 

I'm getting the feeling the buyer will be along to post his/her side of things shortly......

So how about giving them the benefit of the doubt before publicly labeling them a tool?

There may very well be a set time limit between Joey and the buyer for payment that hasn't expired yet.

You are rushing to judgement without all the details.

 

No one is getting outed.

 

No time for payment, but technically I still own the book. If it sells on eBay would I be entitled to the full amount of the sale? Could I cancel the sale and still be justified in doing so?

 

I asked the question because it is not sitting right with me. Once the sale is completed and the book shipped, I don't care if the owner uses it as a Frisbee, but that is not yet the case here.

 

 

You still own the book, he has rights to buy it. If he doesn't perform in the time you specify you could cancel the sale for lack of performance. I'd start by making a demand for payment.

 

And I understand your frustration, he's playing the field with your money right now. It's a wonder to me people don't feel this type of behavior needs to be avenged. 9 times out of 10 people will see the poor behavior in a situation like this.

 

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Apart from the ethics or toolbaggery or potential hassle of the situation, I think we're actually dealing with someone publicly willing to engage in fraud. And may skirt the border of theft by deception if someone bought and paid instantly and the money went into his account. And that is not the kind of person I would want to do business with or be associated with.

 

Make no mistake, if you haven't paid, you don't own the book or have the right to sell the book without disclosure of the fact that you don't own it. Even less so when you sell on ebay, because they have millions of terms you 'agree' to when selling there. That is a material misrepresentation about your rights with regards to the book, and will almost certainly affect the decision of the buyer to buy it or not at that price at this time. Its dishonest, fraudulent, and might be illegal (contact your lawyer someone in law enforcement).

 

So I think Joey would be right to have concern, and be within his rights to cancel the sale altogether if he so chose, as he has now learned that the potential customer is dishonest in his business dealings.

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manetteska

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I'm just waiting for the forum detectives to search some history, and post the offending purchase for all to see. :popcorn:

 

:whistle:

 

I'm getting the feeling the buyer will be along to post his/her side of things shortly......

So how about giving them the benefit of the doubt before publicly labeling them a tool?

There may very well be a set time limit between Joey and the buyer for payment that hasn't expired yet.

You are rushing to judgement without all the details.

 

No one is getting outed.

 

No time for payment, but technically I still own the book. If it sells on eBay would I be entitled to the full amount of the sale? Could I cancel the sale and still be justified in doing so?

 

I asked the question because it is not sitting right with me. Once the sale is completed and the book shipped, I don't care if the owner uses it as a Frisbee, but that is not yet the case here.

 

 

You still own the book, he has rights to buy it. If he doesn't perform in the time you specify you could cancel the sale for lack of performance. I'd start by making a demand for payment.

 

And I understand your frustration, he's playing the field with your money right now. It's a wonder, man, that people don't feel this type of behavior needs to be avenged. 9 times out of 10 people will see the poor behavior in a situation like this.

 

:golfclap:

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Timmay

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I'm just waiting for the forum detectives to search some history, and post the offending purchase for all to see. :popcorn:

 

:whistle:

 

I'm getting the feeling the buyer will be along to post his/her side of things shortly......

So how about giving them the benefit of the doubt before publicly labeling them a tool?

There may very well be a set time limit between Joey and the buyer for payment that hasn't expired yet.

You are rushing to judgement without all the details.

 

No one is getting outed.

 

No time for payment, but technically I still own the book. If it sells on eBay would I be entitled to the full amount of the sale? Could I cancel the sale and still be justified in doing so?

 

I asked the question because it is not sitting right with me. Once the sale is completed and the book shipped, I don't care if the owner uses it as a Frisbee, but that is not yet the case here.

 

If he hasn't paid and it's been more than a week I would take the lack of payment as a cancellation of the sale.

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joeypost

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I'm just waiting for the forum detectives to search some history, and post the offending purchase for all to see. :popcorn:

 

:whistle:

 

I'm getting the feeling the buyer will be along to post his/her side of things shortly......

So how about giving them the benefit of the doubt before publicly labeling them a tool?

There may very well be a set time limit between Joey and the buyer for payment that hasn't expired yet.

You are rushing to judgement without all the details.

 

No one is getting outed.

 

No time for payment, but technically I still own the book. If it sells on eBay would I be entitled to the full amount of the sale? Could I cancel the sale and still be justified in doing so?

 

I asked the question because it is not sitting right with me. Once the sale is completed and the book shipped, I don't care if the owner uses it as a Frisbee, but that is not yet the case here.

 

If he hasn't paid and it's been more than a week I would take the lack of payment as a cancellation of the sale.

 

Books has been paid for. The :takeit: for the sale happened yesterday.

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zzutak

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I may be in the minority, but believe it wrong for sellers to offer slabbed comics for sale before they are back from CGC.
I'm right there with ya. (thumbs u I personally have no interest in purchasing books from sellers who have a less-than-stable balance sheet. Unless you're hurting for cash, what's the rush? :fear:
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blazingbob

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if someone made an offer for a book you had in a sales thread, you agreed on a price, and before it was even paid for the book was listed on eBay for more than double the agreed on price? Please keep in mind I am not complaining about what they are asking, as I could have done the same thing, but the fact they are using my scan and could possibly sell a book before they completed the original transaction.

 

Out this azzclown

 

That goes beyond bad form

 

Right! That seems slimey to me. :P

 

+1

 

Out him ......................................................... :baiting:

What's so bad about it?

 

When one sells a comic they don't actually have in their possession, the following issues can arise:

1. The comic may not arrive before the second buyer expects to have it in their own possession.

2. The comic may arrive damaged. Or not at all.

3. The comic may arrive with a defect or important feature not known to the first buyer until the book is in hand.

 

To sell an item that you don't currently have in your possession, or in the case of a consignment/auction item have ever had in your possession, is at best a poor business practice, if not outright deceitful to the second buyer of the item.

 

All of these things could happen to books on route back from CGC (other then the last one I guess but I don't think Joey ever said the book was raw) and we seem to have no issue with this scenario.

 

 

I may be in the minority, but believe it wrong for sellers to offer slabbed comics for sale before they are back from CGC.

 

Well then I must be a bad seller.

 

I always list books prior to getting them back from CGC.

 

Customers can get an idea of what books are coming, they are welcome to have the book put on hold pending scan.

 

I own them. Not sure what the big deal is.

 

 

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