Mycroft Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Well, it's all in the title. Between those who keep sold OA as available (the worst, The Artist Choice for example but he is not the only one) and those who indicate it's sold but keep hundred of sold pages on their website making very hard to find the available ones (Artcoholics ... ) it is hard to believe they are professionals. Twanj 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comix4fun Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mycroft said: Well, it's all in the title. Between those who keep sold OA as available (the worst, The Artist Choice for example but he is not the only one) and those who indicate it's sold but keep hundred of sold pages on their website making very hard to find the available ones (Artcoholics ... ) it is hard to believe they are professionals. I know I forget to update my CAF with a piece or two that I move from time to time. I can only imagine what that's like on the scale of something like The Artists Choice that, for years, fluctuated between 40,000 and 80,000 pages of artwork. Spencer's always been good about confirming when a piece is out of stock when I place an order however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycroft Posted January 18, 2018 Author Share Posted January 18, 2018 Yes, but he doesn't bother to correct it .... They're is another dealer on CAF who can't tell me if some pages are available, because the (well known) artist is too busy to tell him ... (and that after telling me that at least one page listed as for sale is sold). I send my first mail in october !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilipB2k17 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mycroft said: Yes, but he doesn't bother to correct it .... They're is another dealer on CAF who can't tell me if some pages are available, because the (well known) artist is too busy to tell him ... (and that after telling me that at least one page listed as for sale is sold). I send my first mail in october !!! Not that this is necessarily relevant, but I bought a page directly from an artist at a convention, and then contacted that artist's rep to buy another one a couple of months later. I mentioned that I bought another page from the artist, and they asked me which one. I told them, and the rep said "Oh, so THAT's where that page went! I thought it was lost!" Sometimes, people lose track of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I think it makes a lot of sense for them to leave art listed as SOLD on their site... for many reasons, lots of them obvious. However... please provide us with a way to filter the sold from the available. It isn't that hard. As for those that don't even keep track of what they actually have sold on their site... they're very aware of it, they just don't care. It has been talked about before in this forum, but in general, customer service isn't seen as a focus in the comic art marketplace, though some manage a fine job with it. Rick2you2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONSTER Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Yeah I hate having to look through sold art to see what is actually available for sale. Either remove the sold art or have a separate section on the site for sold art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I own—for years—several pieces of art that are still “for sale” on two different sites. What kills me is that when I’m ready to sell, which is soon, I may be subjected to mistrust by potential buyers as I may appear as a scammer or, what is it called? A drop shipper? Not long ago I saw a piece on one dealer’s site that was on sale at another’s that I made an inquiry about whether or not it was really in his possession. It’s the sad side of the marketplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SquareChaos Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jay Olie Espy said: I own—for years—several pieces of art that are still “for sale” on two different sites. What kills me is that when I’m ready to sell, which is soon, I may be subjected to mistrust by potential buyers as I may appear as a scammer or, what is it called? A drop shipper? Not long ago I saw a piece on one dealer’s site that was on sale at another’s that I made an inquiry about whether or not it was really in his possession. It’s the sad side of the marketplace. If you decide to move those pieces maybe give full disclosure in the listing and say the dealers you bought them from never took them down - as this thread shows, this type of scenario is hardly unfamiliar to comic art buyers. alxjhnsn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, SquareChaos said: If you decide to move those pieces maybe give full disclosure in the listing and say the dealers you bought them from never took them down - as this thread shows, this type of scenario is hardly unfamiliar to comic art buyers. It’s funny, I was just thinking that. One site I may just reach out before I do with potential for success. The other, well, at least there’s not a price listed if you know what I mean, so I don’t expect anything to happen. I never saw this as a priority, but now that I think of it, it did me no favors not acting quicker. I bought these pieces years ago and though I don’t believe their value has doubled, I’d like to adjust the price just to get my money back or close to it after fees, etc. Hypothetically, if the dealer took down the art tonight and I listed the piece tomorrow, I’d look like a flipper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick2you2 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Robert Plunkett has a listed page which I knew he had sold about 7-8 months previously because I had asked about it. He said it was sold, but, it's still on the CAF site. (Ironically, the one I bought, he took down). I'm naming names because this one annoys me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eewwnuk Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 what about sellers that don't price their items that are for sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 minutes ago, eewwnuk said: what about sellers that don't price their items that are for sale? Or when you make a search on the CAF classifieds or Comic Art Shop or when you click on the “Art For Sale” folder only to find that the piece is marked “NFS.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panelfan1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 personally - I am not a fan of having 'SOLD' items either. it just makes me feel worse to find something I like, but it is SOLD. Its a tease I can do without. Many sites do this (romitaman,albert moy, felix to name 3 that come to mind.) I think leaving an item as sold for a short time after it sells is good - as it tells you that stuff sold and you just missed it - but having too much sold stuff on a site makes browsing that site NOT fun. TMNT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 40 minutes ago, Panelfan1 said: personally - I am not a fan of having 'SOLD' items either. it just makes me feel worse to find something I like, but it is SOLD. Its a tease I can do without. Many sites do this (romitaman,albert moy, felix to name 3 that come to mind.) I think leaving an item as sold for a short time after it sells is good - as it tells you that stuff sold and you just missed it - but having too much sold stuff on a site makes browsing that site NOT fun. My situation is different from Romitaman's and Albert's in that I'm a rep, not a dealer. My job isn't to sell art I own; rather, it's to help promote the work of artists I rep. Which means making sure their art gets seen! Art sells quickly off our site. If I were to remove the art the sold right away, most people will have never have had a chance to see it. I believe the more people who are exposed to it, the more who will want it when I have new art down the line. Hopefully. As it is, everything is left up under "New Art Added" for 90 days: http://www.felixcomicart.com/NewItems.asp?Type=a&Order=date&List=584 After 90 days, it rolls off the page. I also update each artist's page quarterly (approximately) to remove sold items from their main page. So for my site, sold items are generally up for 90 days. Certainly not forever. (A smaller consideration is that there are scan collectors who appreciate being able to save scans from the site. No immediate benefit to us, except I believe some scan collectors eventually become art collectors.) I know this doesn't work for everyone, that some would rather all sold art be removed immediately. But this is what's been working for us. I don't believe we'd be doing better if we removed art from the site as it sold. So until anything changes in that regard, we'll be staying the course, and hope you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert frey Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 I have to laugh at things that are marked as "sold" that were never on the website to begin with. dirtymartini1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nexus Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 19 minutes ago, robert frey said: I have to laugh at things that are marked as "sold" that were never on the website to begin with. On my site? Or are you referring to something else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alxjhnsn Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 If one leaves sold items up, please add a pick to remove it from the viewing of the page. That would help a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post zhamlau Posted January 19, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 19, 2018 To each their own, I try not to get to bent up about how someone else runs their business. BUT I will say I'm not a fan of "gone but not forgotten" CAF postings if someone else has that page in their gallery at the same time. They paid the price, that's their piece now. I feel if they are also are showing it in their gallery you should show them the courtesy of not also promoting it in yours. Just my Pete Marino, The Voord, mister_not_so_nice and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bird Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 3:28 PM, comix4fun said: Spencer's always been good about confirming when a piece is out of stock when I place an order however. well, there isn't much alternative, is there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panelfan1 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 hours ago, Nexus said: My situation is different from Romitaman's and Albert's in that I'm a rep, not a dealer. My job isn't to sell art I own; rather, it's to help promote the work of artists I rep. Which means making sure their art gets seen! Art sells quickly off our site. If I were to remove the art the sold right away, most people will have never have had a chance to see it. I believe the more people who are exposed to it, the more who will want it when I have new art down the line. Hopefully. As it is, everything is left up under "New Art Added" for 90 days: http://www.felixcomicart.com/NewItems.asp?Type=a&Order=date&List=584 After 90 days, it rolls off the page. I also update each artist's page quarterly (approximately) to remove sold items from their main page. So for my site, sold items are generally up for 90 days. Certainly not forever. (A smaller consideration is that there are scan collectors who appreciate being able to save scans from the site. No immediate benefit to us, except I believe some scan collectors eventually become art collectors.) I know this doesn't work for everyone, that some would rather all sold art be removed immediately. But this is what's been working for us. I don't believe we'd be doing better if we removed art from the site as it sold. So until anything changes in that regard, we'll be staying the course, and hope you understand. Hi Felix. I never want to tell anyone how to do their business. You know what works for you. For me its not fun to shop in a site where so much art is sold. It discourages me browsing past the first few lines. Even if unsold stuff is below. Some would say -My loss. I may be wrong but comiccon art has a gallery section seperate from the sales section so you can see prime art by each artist without it showing up on the sales page. And while its up to you how you organize the pages - perhaps there is a way to keep the for sale/not yet sold items at the top or if mixed up - then with a highlight box around it or some other easy to scan through method. My Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...