AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR (SPOILERS) 5 5

[bronze_rules]

Just thinking along the lines of original Starlin material...

Wouldn't it make sense that Gamora is inside the soul gem? Maybe not dead. That place with the red skull was the kind of inside soul gem? And secondly, GOTG Gunn, said Gamora will have a larger role in next installment, so I definitely don't think she's dead.

Also, I vaguely recall that scene with Thanos sitting in farmer attire at the end, maybe in Inifinity Gauntlet, and I think he was also in the soul gem?

In the storyline, Warlock came to rescue Gamora.

My thinking on the deaths, was that they didn't phase me in the least, as I didn't expect any to stick. Hate to see a Star Trek Generations everyone died in the nexus but not in reality, but looking that way.

Edited April 29, 2018 by bronze_rules

[AnthonyTheAbyss]

2 minutes ago, bronze_rules said:

Just thinking along the lines of original Starlin material...

Wouldn't it make sense that Gamora is inside the soul gem? Maybe not dead. That place with skull was the soul gem. And secondly, GOTG Gunn, said Gamora will have a larger role in next installment, so I definitely don't think she's dead.

Also, I vaguely recall that scene with Thanos sitting in farmer attire at the end, maybe in Inifinity Gauntlet, and I think he was also in the soul gem?

In the storyline, Warlock came to rescue Gamora.

I agree about the Starlin material.  But...

I think they have to limit who they can bring back.  Otherwise why not bring back EVERYBODY they ever lost in the past.  They have to limit it to only the ones that got turned to ash.

I also don't think they can bring back Gamora (even though they did in the comic).  She was sacrificed to get the soul stone.  Bringing her back would be in conflict with the rules of the infinity gem.  There has to be a definitive/permanent purpose of the sacrifice...otherwise there is no consequences.

[Bosco685]

4 hours ago, AnthonyTheAbyss said:

I agree about the Starlin material.  But...

I think they have to limit who they can bring back.  Otherwise why not bring back EVERYBODY they ever lost in the past.  They have to limit it to only the ones that got turned to ash.

I also don't think they can bring back Gamora (even though they did in the comic).  She was sacrificed to get the soul stone.  Bringing her back would be in conflict with the rules of the infinity gem.  There has to be a definitive/permanent purpose of the sacrifice...otherwise there is no consequences.

I think that is the challenge Marvel has made for themselves with this movie. If everyone is brought back to life, all that emotional buildup audiences experienced would be disingenuous - but due to storytelling.

But if the remaining heroes figure out how to reverse Thanos's plan, you would think the power of the Time Stone is naturally being applied in this case. Depending on how the story plays out, this may seem too easy a wrap-up. But it would make sense from the backstory of the gems.

Time Stone: Allows the user to see into the past and the future; stop, slow down, speed up or reverse the flow of time; time travel; change the past and the future; age and de-age beings; and trap people or entire universes in unending loops of time. At full potential, the Time Gem grants the user omniscience and total control over the past, present and future.

Without an Adam Warlock, I wonder who in the end will be the keeper of the Infinity Gauntlet?

[valiantman]

1 hour ago, Bosco685 said:

Without an Adam Warlock, I wonder who in the end will be the keeper of the Infinity Gauntlet?

Why would it be "without an Adam Warlock"? The Sovereign just lost half of their perfectly designed society. They want revenge. Adam Warlock is going to be "activated".

[kdoginohio]

12 hours ago, seanfingh said:

My text Friday to people that saw it Thursday was "He's inside the Soul Stone, suckas."  I didn't say suckas, but to keep it PG . . .

must have missed your text

[Bosco685]

18 minutes ago, valiantman said:

Why would it be "without an Adam Warlock"? The Sovereign just lost half of their perfectly designed society. They want revenge. Adam Warlock is going to be "activated".

True! Just because the Russos said "No Warlock" in Avengers 3 doesn't mean the same for Avengers 4. New road ahead.

[kdoginohio]

is anyone else bothered by the Red Skull looking a lot like Death(or vise a versa)? and, how tough is cap that he took a shot to the head from Thanos and got up?

Edited April 29, 2018 by kdoginohio
after thought

[Bosco685]

42 minutes ago, kdoginohio said:

is anyone else bothered by the Red Skull looking a lot like Death(or vise a versa)? and, how tough is cap that he took a shot to the head from Thanos and got up?

I was wondering that myself, but then disregarded it.

When I was driving back from the theater, I was thinking, "Does the Super-Soldier Serum strengthen your skull since there are hardly any muscles around your head to buffer that punch?"

Edited April 29, 2018 by Bosco685

[Bosco685]

Questions:

1) Thanos punches Captain America so hard in the head during their battle - the same punch that crippled the Hulk - Cap gets up afterwards like nothing happened? Does the Super-Soldier Serum strengthen your skull?

2) The Black Order times perfectly when to make a move on the Mind Stone on Vision's head. How did they even know Scarlett Witch was guarding him, so then they make the jump to Shuri's lab when she appears on the battlefield?

3) When the Black Order realizes Scarlett Witch has left Vision in Shuri's lab, they have Corvus Glaive port outside the door in order to attack Vision for the Mind Stone. But they have never even been to Wakanda. How did they know where to find Vision?

[AnthonyTheAbyss]

1 hour ago, kdoginohio said:

is anyone else bothered by the Red Skull looking a lot like Death(or vise a versa)? and, how tough is cap that he took a shot to the head from Thanos and got up?

Nope.  I loved how Red Skull looked.  He can't be wearing a Hydra outfit...that would have been more bothersome.

Technically, he didn't get right back up right away.  He got knocked out.  Thanos could have just frozen time and walked right up to Vision.  But that wouldn't have been really worth watching.  I think they did a good "movie scene" as he slow mo stopped everybody.

[AnthonyTheAbyss]

34 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

Questions:

1) Thanos punches Captain America so hard in the head during their battle - the same punch that crippled the Hulk - Cap gets up afterwards like nothing happened? Does the Super-Soldier Serum strengthen your skull?

2) The Black Order times perfectly when to make a move on the Mind Stone on Vision's head. How did they even know Scarlett Witch was guarding him, so then they make the jump to Shuri's lab when she appears on the battlefield?

3) When the Black Order realizes Scarlett Witch has left Vision in Shuri's lab, they have Corvus Glaive port outside the door in order to attack Vision for the Mind Stone. But they have never even been to Wakanda. How did they know where to find Vision?

1.  Thanos was holding back.  It's like killing a fly.  You could use a nuclear bomb but a fly swatter works just fine hahahahah.

2 & 3.  Yeah.  We need to find out what powers each of the Black order have.  Hopefully the DVD elaborates...maybe Corvus has super intel abilities.  But sometimes the answer is "it's a movie".

 

 moments:

- Who, what, where Gamora

- Kick names, taking (butt)

- Standing there for an hour

***All Drax scenes

Edited April 29, 2018 by AnthonyTheAbyss

[Bosco685]

What about the overall reality that Thanos and The Black Order are so powerful - and the Infinity Stones so meaningful to Thanos - why did he even trust Loki during The Avengers and Ronan the Accuser during Guardians of the Galaxy to get these stones?

Based on what we saw, Thanos would just take care of this himself along with his children. I get it though - for extended storytelling, it was adding these lackeys first.

[Bosco685]

1 minute ago, AnthonyTheAbyss said:

But sometimes the answer is "it's a movie".

Oh no. MCU doesn't get off that easy. If this was anyone else, there would be a hoard of folks screaming 'plot holes' and other fun chants.

[AnthonyTheAbyss]

1 minute ago, Bosco685 said:

Oh no. MCU doesn't get off that easy. If this was anyone else, there would be a hoard of folks screaming 'plot holes' and other fun chants.

Hahahahaha true.  But 10 years of great entertainment gives them some leeway.

[Bosco685]

Just now, AnthonyTheAbyss said:

Hahahahaha true.  But 10 years of great entertainment gives them some leeway.

I know. But clear how much give they get.

[Straw-Man]

8 minutes ago, Bosco685 said:

I know. But clear how much give they get.

260 mil opening if the plot wasn't swiss ? 

[Bosco685]

23 minutes ago, Straw-Man said:

260 mil opening if the plot wasn't swiss ? 

Tee hee.

[chrisco37]

The Red Skull return was a nice surprise.  Wasn’t expecting that.  Spidey & BP were big shockers as well (but we know they’ll both be back).

I think the biggest thing to take out of it was the Dr. Strange stuff.  Before they faced Thanos, he told Tony that he’d sacrifice Tony, Spidey, anyone really to keep the stone away from Thanos.  Then he has his “vision” where there’s only one scenario out of 14 million+ where they prevail.  Obviously, he did what he had to do in that one winning scenario (give up the stone).

He didn’t do it just to save Tony.  He did it as the one winning scenario required that he give the stone up.

Since it’s Hollywood and all, Tony (RJD) must play a pivotal role in the resolution.  Let’s face it, the Movie MU exists because Iron Man was such a surprise hit.  RJD was the initial star of it all (and still the biggest, along with Sam Jackson).   But he can’t go on forever.  They’re giving him his Swan Song.  I don’t have a problem with that.

Great movie.  Right there on the first tier with The Avengers.  

 

[Comicopolis]

On 28/04/2018 at 3:51 PM, valiantman said:

They easily found Vision and Scarlet Witch in Ireland. I would have to watch it again, but the Wakanda shield probably had to fall/weaken and Scarlet Witch had to leave before he would port into the lab.

Scotland.

[Comicopolis]

4 hours ago, Bosco685 said:

Questions:

1) Thanos punches Captain America so hard in the head during their battle - the same punch that crippled the Hulk - Cap gets up afterwards like nothing happened? Does the Super-Soldier Serum strengthen your skull?

2) The Black Order times perfectly when to make a move on the Mind Stone on Vision's head. How did they even know Scarlett Witch was guarding him, so then they make the jump to Shuri's lab when she appears on the battlefield?

3) When the Black Order realizes Scarlett Witch has left Vision in Shuri's lab, they have Corvus Glaive port outside the door in order to attack Vision for the Mind Stone. But they have never even been to Wakanda. How did they know where to find Vision?

Hulk is weak in the head.

Girlfriends always look after their boyfriends - even aliens know that.

They own something slightly stronger than a telescope.