Are Newton Rings 'normal and acceptable'? 6 6

[DarthRawn]

On 7/24/2018 at 11:29 AM, I like pie said:

Mail call. Just got this one today.

That is a really nice Todd McFarnewton cover you got there!! And for this reason I have not submitted to them. I would rather keep them bagged and boarded than in such an inferior appearing case. If a company cared about their product and customer service, these issues would have been resolved long ago. It would seem the concern is more about the money that could be lost in abandoning these crappy cases and eating their own mistakes. With as many complaints and concerns they had to have heard by now, including threads like this one which clearly indicate an overwhelming agreement that the majority of customers do not like these newton rings, one would think they would make a prudent effort to improve their product. pity. 

[bababooey]

On 7/24/2018 at 11:29 AM, I like pie said:

Mail call. Just got this one today.

That almost looks like Kirby krackle disintegrating the car...

[Get Marwood & I]

 

[Gaard]

Anything from Dena?

[szav]

On 7/22/2018 at 10:08 AM, ExNihilo said:

Well, I guess I'm the outlier here...  

1. Is it acceptable?  Yes, in a way.  My primary purpose for slabbing is two fold, authentication (of sigs) and preservation.  The slab serves its purpose in that regard (or at least I hope it will in 30 years time).  Appearance is secondary to preservation as far as I'm concerned.  Is it normal?  No.  You wouldn't buy a picture frame that distorts the image you're attempting to showcase, so we shouldn't have slabs that have Newton Rings either.  But if I have to put up with some Newton Rings to ensure the long term preservation of my book, then I can live with that.  My books spend 99% of the time tucked away in a box anyways so its not like it affects me that much.

Well... if CGC can’t get the presentation aspect of their cases working right (which while unimportant to you is important to the vast majority of their customers) what makes you believe that their claims about the preservation  and tamper-resistance aspects of the new cases are true?

The newton rings and CGCs response thus far don’t exactly inspire confidence in the product  or company.  Who knows maybe in 10 years we find these cases are also damaging our books or something.

[Get Marwood & I]

21 minutes ago, Gaard said:

Anything from Dena?

Not yet. I don't think she works weekends so lets give it a few more days Gaard 

[I like pie]

1 hour ago, Get Marwood & I said:

Not yet. I don't think she works weekends so lets give it a few more days Gaard 

Then we'll storm the castle?

[Get Marwood & I]

5 minutes ago, I like pie said:

Then we'll storm the castle?

I was thinking more along the lines of opening a small can of verbal whoopass I Like Pie. Or maybe just sulking for a while.

Usual drill 

Edited July 29, 2018 by Get Marwood & I
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[ExNihilo]

3 hours ago, szavisca said:

Well... if CGC can’t get the presentation aspect of their cases working right (which while unimportant to you is important to the vast majority of their customers) what makes you believe that their claims about the preservation  and tamper-resistance aspects of the new cases are true?

The newton rings and CGCs response thus far don’t exactly inspire confidence in the product  or company.  Who knows maybe in 10 years we find these cases are also damaging our books or something.

I think people misunderstood me (though re-reading what I wrote, I can understand where the confusion is).  I didn't say or mean to imply that appearances are unimportant.  I just merely meant that where I prioritize appearance as far as what is most important to me, the other two qualities (authentication of yellows, and preservation) rank higher.  It's like asking how I prioritize the Captain America movies.  I could say Civil War and Winter Soldier are the two best, but just because The First Avenger is ranked last doesn't mean I hate the movie.

That said, you're right about not knowing whether their current materials/methods will stand the test of time and that's why I said "or at least I hope it will in 30 years time".

[Get Marwood & I]

I was just about to look at my slab collection today when the phone rang. It was my friend Isaac, the mathematician. I thought "Typical! Every time I look at my slabs Newton rings" 

 

I'll get my coat.

Edited July 29, 2018 by Get Marwood & I
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[ADAMANTIUM]

45 minutes ago, Get Marwood & I said:

I was just about to look at my slab collection today when the phone rang. It was my friend Isaac, the mathematician. I thought "Typical! Every time I look at my slabs Newton rings" 

 

I'll get my coat.

THAT was a thinker, you stinker  

[Get Marwood & I]

13 hours ago, ADAMANTIUM said:

13 hours ago, Get Marwood & I said:

I was just about to look at my slab collection today when the phone rang. It was my friend Isaac, the mathematician. I thought "Typical! Every time I look at my slabs Newton rings" 

 

I'll get my coat.

THAT was a thinker, you stinker  

 

Speaking of mathematicians, how does this work out...?  

[I like pie]

[Get Marwood & I]

Nothing heard from Dena, so I sent this email today to Mark Haspel, titled "A message from the members of the CGC Comic forum"

I'll let you know if I get any response 

 

 

Hi Mark 

 

My name is Steve and I'm a comic collector based in the UK. I've been a member of the CGC comic forum for two years now, and I believe it is the best comic related resource out there with members from all over the world coming to share their knowledge and love of the hobby. Thank you for providing this free forum - it is a credit to your company.

 

Many of the forum members also share a love of the CGC grading process which has without doubt energised the industry. A slabbed book is a wonderful thing to behold and the service your company provides is appreciated and respected by the majority.

 

With that said, I would like to bring to your attention the feelings of many forum members in respect of the 'newton ring' issue which no doubt you will be aware of. There have been a number of discussion threads relating to the problem recently and many members feel let down by the lack of meaningful communication from CGC on the matter. Embedded below are the results of a poll in which 86 respected members voted. The results speak for themselves: 

 

 

Here is the link to the forum thread should you wish to read it in full:

 

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/topic/436995-are-newton-rings-normal-and-acceptable/

 

I hope having reviewed the poll results and the associated thread comments that you will want to respond to the members and address their concerns. We all love the product but we also rely on CGC to show integrity in respect of how issues are managed and, crucially, communicated. 

 

Would you consider placing a message on the forum to the members please? I know they would appreciate it. 

 

Thank you for your time and for reading this mail. 

 

Kind regards 

 

Steve

[Gaard]

[Transplant]

Why would you email Haspel?

[Get Marwood & I]

8 hours ago, Transplant said:

Why would you email Haspel?

For reasons which I'll share after we get a response. I do understand the point you are making though. 

[walclark]

5 hours ago, Get Marwood & I said:

For reasons which I'll share after we get a response. I do understand the point you are making though. 

Did you mean “if” you get a response?

[Jeffro.]

On 7/22/2018 at 9:18 PM, Artboy99 said:

On 7/22/2018 at 1:08 PM, ExNihilo said:

Well, I guess I'm the outlier here...  

1. Is it acceptable?  Yes, in a way.  My primary purpose for slabbing is two fold, authentication (of sigs) and preservation.  The slab serves its purpose in that regard (or at least I hope it will in 30 years time).  Appearance is secondary to preservation as far as I'm concerned.  Is it normal?  No.  You wouldn't buy a picture frame that distorts the image you're attempting to showcase, so we shouldn't have slabs that have Newton Rings either.  But if I have to put up with some Newton Rings to ensure the long term preservation of my book, then I can live with that.  My books spend 99% of the time tucked away in a box anyways so its not like it affects me that much.

why bother submitting? Books in a mylar would serve the same purpose for you.

We submit our books to get a 3rd party to grade that is accepted by both sides in a transaction. To have the end product look fantastic is required in this instance as comic collecting is inherently visual. 

Exactly. Mylar, acid free board and (most importantly) ideal storage conditions. Somehow the idea has propagated over the years that slabbing is superior for long term preservation. 

 

Edited August 1, 2018 by Jerkfro

[Jeffro.]

On 7/23/2018 at 7:33 AM, october said:

On 7/22/2018 at 9:18 PM, Artboy99 said:

why bother submitting? Books in a mylar would serve the same purpose for you.

I don't get the "preservation" aspect of grading either. Get some microchamber paper, some fullbacks, and some mylars. Same thing, but a lot cheaper, a lot less bulky, better clarity, and you can you still read the damn things.

I slab books for sales facilitation only. That requires clarity and good presentation, just like you said.