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Wachowskis' THE MATRIX 4 starring Keanu Reeves (5/21/21)
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On 9/10/2021 at 10:21 AM, valiantman said:

Has anyone mentioned that the lady in the glasses with the Alice in Wonderland book looks like she could be a grown up Sati? hm

Neo turns into Sati's father in the next second "in the looking glass".

Even better, she is wearing RED glasses (to contrast Neo's therapist wearing BLUE glasses). This movie is going to be a collection of both very subtle messaging and super-in-your-face-obvious symbolism, and I'm living for it :D

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On 9/10/2021 at 11:06 AM, Sauce Dog said:
On 9/10/2021 at 9:21 AM, valiantman said:

Has anyone mentioned that the lady in the glasses with the Alice in Wonderland book looks like she could be a grown up Sati? hm

Neo turns into Sati's father in the next second "in the looking glass".

Even better, she is wearing RED glasses (to contrast Neo's therapist wearing BLUE glasses). This movie is going to be a collection of both very subtle messaging and super-in-your-face-obvious symbolism, and I'm living for it :D

The red and blue are definitely clear themes.  The main character with blue hair feels like a "new Neo" maybe. 

She seems like a guide, but if she had all of the previous Neo's memories, she should be a guide... while still being the latest Neo.  hm 

The young man in the office at the end of the trailer gives off a "young Architect" vibe to me.

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Filmed in San Francisco!  Lots of recognizable locales in that trailer. I saw some of the filming and have a slim hope I'm in a framing shot. Coincidentally, SF just named the top city in the world on Time Out's annual list (started in London as a travel and entertainment guide).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/2021/09/09/san-francisco-named-worlds-best-city/5782491001/

https://www.timeout.com/things-to-do/best-cities-in-the-world

 

 

 

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On 9/9/2021 at 7:18 PM, Sauce Dog said:

huh? There isn't only movies through (and not just the animated shorts), the video game was specifically guided by the Wachowski sisters, who made it a point that the only way the developers story would be considered canon is if they killed Morpheus (which they did)
 

Once upon a time there was a lot of "canon" Star Wars stories that were later thrown out the window when they continued the movies.  

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On 9/10/2021 at 7:07 PM, sfcityduck said:

Once upon a time there was a lot of "canon" Star Wars stories that were later thrown out the window when they continued the movies.  

That is very different, as the majority of the Matrix canon was written or directly approved of by the sisters, whereas Star Wars was a hot mess of expanded universe stuff that was actually never officially canon, and would constantly re-adjust its own continuity whenever George Lucas / Lucasfilm (who didn't want anything to do with it and referred to it as the parallel universe) would introduce something new that conflicted with it. It was such a mess you had the G, T, C, S, N and D canon databases to keep track of what might possibly be legit. 

Not saying it can't happen with the Matrix, but unlike Star Wars there isn't so much of a tangled mess of things bogging it down that would warrant nuking large parts of the canon out of existence (especially if most of it won't be required knowledge going into the movie - they literally just have to say "peace didn't last long" and "in the fighting that followed we lost great leaders like Morpheus" done! Everyone is caught up!)

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Matrix 1-he's THE ONE and he destroys agent smith!
Matrix 2 and 3-he's THE ONE but other guys can fight him to a standstill so he's really number two and agent smith isnt destroyed anymore in fact there are infinite agent smiths. :facepalm:

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On 9/9/2021 at 9:52 AM, Bosco685 said:

 

So with Neil Patrick Harris's character wearing those sparkling blue glasses, could that be the Matrix keeping Neo ignorant of his past and surroundings?

  • Red Pill: Willingness to learn a potentially unsettling or life-changing truth
  • Blue Pill: Remaining in contented ignorance

It feels like that is the hidden meaning of that counseling session.

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On 9/13/2021 at 5:45 AM, theCapraAegagrus said:
On 9/12/2021 at 7:25 AM, Bosco685 said:
  • Red Pill: Willingness to learn a potentially unsettling or life-changing truth
  • Blue Pill: Remaining in contented ignorance

hm

@Bosco685 It seems likely that there are some "fundamental Matrix truths" that this film is likely to change... such as the meaning of the red and the blue. 

Given the overwhelming meanings of "red" and "blue" in political spheres, I wouldn't be surprised if Lana Wachowski flips the two meanings you've outlined this time around.

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On 9/13/2021 at 11:35 AM, valiantman said:

@Bosco685 It seems likely that there are some "fundamental Matrix truths" that this film is likely to change... such as the meaning of the red and the blue. 

Given the overwhelming meanings of "red" and "blue" in political spheres, I wouldn't be surprised if Lana Wachowski flips the two meanings you've outlined this time around.

It is a fictional universe, after all...

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