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Is it a Pedigree? Obscure markings? Ask the "Experts"
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bounty_coder

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Do you have a funny book with a marking, some letter designations or a Date Stamp with some unique quality? 

Are you wondering if it could belong to some type of "Officially Recognized" or simply Collector Recognized Pedigree or Collection but are unsure?

If so then you have found a spot to share those unique markings and see what the Collective Intelligence of the board has to say about it...

 

Here is one I have; it looks to be a "S" done in Grease Pencil.  At first it made me think of the Cookeville Pedigree/Collection with the famous "SN" designations but there is no N to follow it! 

Out of all the Cookeville books I have always seen them either as SN or NN representing the initials of the Girls who would pull the books aside for Leroy Mackie.  Is there a chance that only 1 of the girls was around to initial this copy? :insane: ...unlikely.  

Curious if you have seen any other GA books with "S" grease pencil designations.  There are no other notable markings on the book.

 

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adamstrange

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There are some books with a grease pencil 'S' but not part of any recognized pedigree.  Whether this book is from the same source as those others which are from the early 40s is very difficult to tell.

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Cat-Man_America

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I have a number of high grade books that bear similar pencil marks and aren’t designated as pedigrees.  From the standpoint of similarity, it seems likely that some came from the same collection.  That doesn’t mean there was a sufficient quantity of single owner books to warrant a pedigree, but it is worth looking into.  That said, if more of these that pop-up in other collections weight can be given to awarding pedigree status, so I’ll start posting scans of these books via edits here. (thumbsu.

OK, to start this off, here are four books, all Caps with different markings and I'm guessing in some cases (all graded, but no pedigrees indicated)...

"S"

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"Em"

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"Paul"

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"SN" in grase pencil

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telerites

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I have no clue how comics were distributed back then.  Could they have gone to a local distribution center and then dispersed to separate newsstands?  I have and have seen many books that have some  distinct marking.  So let's say the S went to the southside stand.  

Movie posters did this.  There were distribution centers that received the posters and they were sent to area cinemas - some were marked either by the distributor or the movie house.  

Another common marking is the P - I seem to remember a lot of threads asking if they were Pennsylvanias which they were not.  

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sfcityduck

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I have seen a lot of dates, presumably distributor or newstand markings, written in grease pencil on comics.  I have seen other markings which may be distributor/newstand marks written in grease pencil.  I don't see how a grease pencil "S" could possibly be used as a pedigree identifier without a lot of provenance given how many people's names likely start with "S".

I hate to say it, but a lot of comics have markings on them.  They should hurt the grade, not make people think they are a "potential pedigree" unless (1) the comic is HG, (2) the marking is clearly not a distributor or newsstand marking, and (3) there is sufficient provenance for the collection or uniqueness for the mark (a name maybe, but a single letter?  I think not) to warrant the conclusion that all books with that mark come from the same source.

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adamstrange

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On 9/26/2019 at 6:30 PM, OtherEric said:

Some pencil marks on the back cover that look like some sort of cataloging notation, but I have no idea what they might mean:

C 3 2 looks likes "C" for the distributor to return unsold copies to.  "3 2" probably refers to March 2nd the date the book was placed on the newsstand.  I'm not sure what CD means.

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Robot Man

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6 hours ago, Cat-Man_America said:

More no-established-pedigree books with marks...

another apparent "SN" (light pencil)

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distributor markings (?) "M-1-10" 

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distributor markings (?) "M-9-27"

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another "S" in pencil (label noted as Jon Berk collection)

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"g" (gee whiz?) lol

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Interesting, the Hit and the Marvel Mystery appear to be similar distributor markings...

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