boomtown Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Was reading in an old RBBC about a possible lawsuit between Marvel and Warren when they introduced similar "Satana" characters the same month. The story implied that a lawsuit was not needed after the 2 companies spoke and came to an agreement, which I assume was that Warren would shelf their version. The Warren version supposedly appeared in an issue of Vampirella. Anyone know what specific issue number it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Satana did appear in Eerie 50. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I’ve looked for this in Vampirella and can’t find it. Satana’s first appearance at Marvel is October 1963. That would correspond to Vampirella 28, or 29 (I think). But I didn’t see a Satanna story scanning through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Dowling Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Just now, Randall Dowling said: I’ve looked for this in Vampirella and can’t find it. Satana’s first appearance at Marvel is October 1963. That would correspond to Vampirella 28, or 29 (I think). But I didn’t see a Satanna story scanning through. Pretty sure Vampirella 28 was on the stands at the same time as Eerie 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombat Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 44 minutes ago, Randall Dowling said: Pretty sure Vampirella 28 was on the stands at the same time as Eerie 50. i'm pretty sure it was Eerie 50. Here are some notes on that issue: Months before Marvel unveiled their Satana, Daughter Of Satan serial in their black & white magazines, Warren issued this one-shot that could almost be regarded a prologue for the Marvel character, so similar were the origins. http://enjolrasworld.com/Richard Arndt/The Warren Magazines Index Only.htm The Lions Den, ThothAmon and Randall Dowling 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Hahaha Satana is a Warren property. Did Marvel pay them off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, wombat said: i'm pretty sure it was Eerie 50. Here are some notes on that issue: Months before Marvel unveiled their Satana, Daughter Of Satan serial in their black & white magazines, Warren issued this one-shot that could almost be regarded a prologue for the Marvel character, so similar were the origins. http://enjolrasworld.com/Richard Arndt/The Warren Magazines Index Only.htm 22 hours ago, Randall Dowling said: I’ve looked for this in Vampirella and can’t find it. Satana’s first appearance at Marvel is October 1963. That would correspond to Vampirella 28, or 29 (I think). But I didn’t see a Satanna story scanning through. 22 hours ago, Randall Dowling said: Pretty sure Vampirella 28 was on the stands at the same time as Eerie 50. Vampire Tales #2 was out July 3, 1973. Vampirella #27 was out July 17, 1973. Eerie #50 was out June 21, 1973. The “proto” Satana did indeed appear in Eerie #50 just weeks before Vampire Tales #2 was out. Eerie #51 wasn’t out until July 26, 1973 so Eerie #50 and Vampire Tales #2 probably spent some time together on newsstands. Vampire Tales #2 I bought off the newsstands as it was my first of that title and at a time when I became hooked on the Marvel monster Mags. I still find it to be one of the best of the Marvel magazine covers from the 70’s. I always found it more interesting that Doug Moench wrote the “Satana” story from Eerie #50 and was a regular bullpen member at Marvel shortly afterwards including writing a number of the Marvel magazines including Vampire Tales. I’d find it hard to believe that he had nothing to do with Satana being done at Marvel although he’s not a credited creator of her they certainly “borrowed” from the Warren story (see below). His first published story for Marvel was a month after all of this in Chamber of Chills #7 released August 7, 1973 and he never looked back. They wouldn’t have seen the published story in Eerie #50 over at Marvel since it only came out a few weeks before Santana’s Marvel debut so I’m guessing Doug either suggested it for them to use as an idea or they saw some of the work he did on it prior to coming over. The timing of him joining Marvel is just to perfect to be “just one of those things”... Edited April 3, 2020 by N e r V The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) Edited April 2, 2020 by N e r V RedRaven, chevalmeow, ThothAmon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 (edited) Edited April 2, 2020 by N e r V Stevemmg, RedRaven, chevalmeow and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevemmg Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 Kind of makes you think Moench had come up for this character at Warren, then presumably wanted to use it at Marvel. Maybe with that brief Marvel introduction thought they might be able to beat Eerie 50 to the stands. Something interesting there to be sure. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stevemmg said: Kind of makes you think Moench had come up for this character at Warren, then presumably wanted to use it at Marvel. Maybe with that brief Marvel introduction thought they might be able to beat Eerie 50 to the stands. Something interesting there to be sure. Adding more fuel to the fire of theories her brother Daimon Hellstrom was introduced in Ghost Rider #1 which was out on June 19, 1973 or two days before Eerie #50 was released. Also Doug Moench never did write a Satana story that I’m aware of. He did dance around her in Haunt of Horror magazine with the Gabriel character but not her stories. Was Marvel not wanting him involved to avoid any possible legal perceptions? Edited April 3, 2020 by N e r V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 3, 2020 Share Posted April 3, 2020 FYI, if Satana collecting is your thing this thread shows you need a copy of Eerie #50 in it. I’ve always considered Eerie #50 to Satana what Chamber of Darkness #4 is to Conan comic collectors.. Randall Dowling and oakman29 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomtown Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Thanks people! I'll have to reread the story but I believe it mentioned there was an advertisement published for Satana in one of the Marvel Black and White Mags that predated the Warren appearances. I know it implied that Stan Lee spoke with Warren and the Warren character never returned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomtown Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Here's the article discussing the Satana debate. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakman29 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 We all know Satana was a Warren property first. The house of ideas just has more money.🤨 The Lions Den and Randall Dowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 8 hours ago, boomtown said: Here's the article discussing the Satana debate. Where’s this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomtown Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 35 minutes ago, N e r V said: Where’s this from? It's from a column in RBCC (#103) N e r V 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N e r V Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, boomtown said: It's from a column in RBCC (#103) Ok. This one, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomtown Posted April 5, 2020 Author Share Posted April 5, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, N e r V said: Ok. This one, right? That's it! In the very back. Edited April 5, 2020 by boomtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
