valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 47 minutes ago, tvindy said: 57 minutes ago, valiantman said: Unfortunately, Google is inconsistent when there's a dash/hyphen involved. To be sure you get exactly what you're looking for, you have to put double-quotes around search terms. Using Google to search for: Spider-Man results in 726million results, but if you put the quotes on it and search for: "Spider-Man" you only get 218million results. What happened? There are 519million results for Spider. Those are being included. TMNT has 61million, "Ninja turtles" (with the double-quotes) has 45million, but some of those pages have both. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles has 78million results, but if you add the double-quotes, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" results in 39million. In other words, Google isn't as useful for properties and characters which include common words (spider, turtles) as it might appear. Okay, so that means TMNT is between one fifth and one sixth as popular as Spider-Man. (I guess it also means that when I google "Mister Mxyzptlk" and get 61,300 results, that is probably very accurate.) Well, not exactly. People are dumb. Google knows this, but it still has to serve those people. There are 171million results for "Spiderman" because people didn't put the dash/hyphen in there. You can remove any results that include both "Spiderman" and "Spider-Man" by searching for: "Spiderman" -"Spider-Man" and you'll get 142million results. Combining those with "Spider-Man" 213million results, and you're at 355million for Spiderman/Spider-Man... and your TMNT comparison is somewhere around one-tenth as popular* as Spider-Man. * but we're using Google for a purpose that isn't exactly scientific and nearly doubling the popularity of a character that people don't even know how to spell. Science... it ain't. GM8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, valiantman said: Well, not exactly. People are dumb. Google knows this, but it still has to serve those people. There are 171million results for "Spiderman" because people didn't put the dash/hyphen in there. You can remove any results that include both "Spiderman" and "Spider-Man" by searching for: "Spiderman" -"Spider-Man" and you'll get 142million results. Combining those with "Spider-Man" 213million results, and you're at 355million for Spiderman/Spider-Man... and your TMNT comparison is somewhere around one-tenth as popular* as Spider-Man. * but we're using Google for a purpose that isn't exactly scientific and nearly doubling the popularity of a character that people don't even know how to spell. Science... it ain't. Yes, it's very inexact, but even with a huge margin for error, it's interesting to look at those figures. One way around the misspellings would be to use Google's Ngram Viewer. Since those results are from, we can assume that most of them are spelled correctly. The Ngram Viewer has more accurate data, but it probably doesn't reflect popular culture as well as a Google search. Still, I found this graph interesting: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Teenage+Mutant+Ninja+Turtles%2C+Spider-Man&corpus=26&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2CTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSpider - Man%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSpider - Man%3B%2Cc0 According to the chart, TMNT currently (2019) comes up in books about a tenth as often as Spider-Man, buts it's interesting that in the late 80s to early 90s, it actually surpassed Spider-Man. (Just some more interesting data to ponder.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 28 minutes ago, tvindy said: Yes, it's very inexact, but even with a huge margin for error, it's interesting to look at those figures. One way around the misspellings would be to use Google's Ngram Viewer. Since those results are from, we can assume that most of them are spelled correctly. The Ngram Viewer has more accurate data, but it probably doesn't reflect popular culture as well as a Google search. Still, I found this graph interesting: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Teenage+Mutant+Ninja+Turtles%2C+Spider-Man&corpus=26&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2CTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSpider - Man%3B%2Cc0#t1%3B%2CTeenage Mutant Ninja Turtles%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2CSpider - Man%3B%2Cc0 According to the chart, TMNT currently (2019) comes up in books about a tenth as often as Spider-Man, buts it's interesting that in the late 80s to early 90s, it actually surpassed Spider-Man. (Just some more interesting data to ponder.) Crazy results just for Spider-Man alone. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Spider-Man%2CSpiderman%2CSpider-man&corpus=26&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&smoothing=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, valiantman said: Crazy results just for Spider-Man alone. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Spider-Man%2CSpiderman%2CSpider-man&corpus=26&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&smoothing=3 Well, you can make the search case-insensitive. That makes the results one third less crazy. (Even with all the crazy variability, I still find these results interesting.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, tvindy said: 25 minutes ago, valiantman said: Crazy results just for Spider-Man alone. https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Spider-Man%2CSpiderman%2CSpider-man&corpus=26&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&smoothing=3 Well, you can make the search case-insensitive. That makes the results one third less crazy. (Even with all the crazy variability, I still find these results interesting.) Any idea why "Batman" was more popular in 1579 than he was in 1994? https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?smoothing=3&corpus=26&year_end=2019&content=Batman%2CSpider-Man&year_start=1500&case_insensitive=on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Was that from when he went back in time and became a ninja? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_Ninja Actually, I dug a little deeper and discovered that a man by the name of Stephen Batman published two books around that time:https://www.google.com/search?lr=lang_en&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:1500,cd_max:1581,lr:lang_1en&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ALeKk024X9G6vf7iEfHlk1jdAoV_PNNEZA:1600203282545&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:"Stephen+Batman"&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPweXhhezrAhVYGrkGHb7kBpIQ9AgwAXoECAIQBQ&biw=1440&bih=761&dpr=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Fun! Any guesses on what caused Spider-Man to pop up briefly in 1901 and peak in 1907? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 14 minutes ago, valiantman said: Fun! Any guesses on what caused Spider-Man to pop up briefly in 1901 and peak in 1907? That's a lot harder. I did find these entries published toward the end on the 19th century:https://www.google.com/search?biw=1440&bih=761&tbs=sbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1800%2Ccd_max%3A1899&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ALeKk01-hlI0WikFYvNTOi9wY0TsvUsIrQ%3A1600204298013&ei=Ci5hX74j7qzk5Q-ho6b4CA&q="spider-man"&oq="spider-man"&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.52110.54844.0.56803.2.2.0.0.0.0.304.597.2-1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.595....0.nEGIZpymjFw But unfortunately, Google doesn't provide enough granularity to easily see what was being published at the beginning of the 20th century, which is probably when whatever it was that mentioned "spider-man" was published. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, tvindy said: 20 minutes ago, valiantman said: Fun! Any guesses on what caused Spider-Man to pop up briefly in 1901 and peak in 1907? That's a lot harder. I did find these entries published toward the end on the 19th century:https://www.google.com/search?biw=1440&bih=761&tbs=sbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1800%2Ccd_max%3A1899&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ALeKk01-hlI0WikFYvNTOi9wY0TsvUsIrQ%3A1600204298013&ei=Ci5hX74j7qzk5Q-ho6b4CA&q="spider-man"&oq="spider-man"&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l10.52110.54844.0.56803.2.2.0.0.0.0.304.597.2-1j1.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.2.595....0.nEGIZpymjFw But unfortunately, Google doesn't provide enough granularity to easily see what was being published at the beginning of the 20th century, which is probably when whatever it was that mentioned "spider-man" was published. I tweaked the URL (even though Google doesn't specifically say you can do this) and I think I found our early-1900s "spider-man" https://www.google.com/search?q="spider-man"&tbs=sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1900,cd_max:1907&tbm=bks&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB6fHdi-zrAhUCTawKHc1TCksQpwUIIg&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1 tvindy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 minute ago, valiantman said: I tweaked the URL (even though Google doesn't specifically say you can do this) and I think I found our early-1900s "spider-man" https://www.google.com/search?q="spider-man"&tbs=sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1900,cd_max:1907&tbm=bks&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB6fHdi-zrAhUCTawKHc1TCksQpwUIIg&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1 Wow! Great job! That was genius. It didn't even occur to me that anything in the URL would be understandable, let alone tweakable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Toitles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just now, ADAMANTIUM said: Toitles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADAMANTIUM Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, valiantman said: 5 minutes ago, ADAMANTIUM said: Toitles Lol I was thinking TMNT 27 or something with toitleterminator, but yours works well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, tvindy said: 13 minutes ago, valiantman said: I tweaked the URL (even though Google doesn't specifically say you can do this) and I think I found our early-1900s "spider-man" https://www.google.com/search?q="spider-man"&tbs=sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1900,cd_max:1907&tbm=bks&source=lnt&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB6fHdi-zrAhUCTawKHc1TCksQpwUIIg&biw=1920&bih=937&dpr=1 Wow! Great job! That was genius. It didn't even occur to me that anything in the URL would be understandable, let alone tweakable. I'm a bit of a nerd, but it comes in handy once in a while. Here's the CGC Census for every CGC graded book with the word "turtle" in the title, alphabetical, all on one page... same basic URL scenario: http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/search/title/:turtle:/label/all/orderby/alphabetical/variants/yes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, valiantman said: I'm a bit of a nerd, but it comes in handy once in a while. Here's the CGC Census for every CGC graded book with the word "turtle" in the title, alphabetical, all on one page... same basic URL scenario: http://www.cgcdata.com/cgc/search/title/:turtle:/label/all/orderby/alphabetical/variants/yes/ Impressive. And almost all of them are TMNT. I wonder what the general correlation is between the number of total comics published focussing on and character or team and the dollar value of the issue that introduces that team or character. (Not that I'm expecting anyone to work that out. It's just an interesting stat to ponder.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 On 9/13/2020 at 11:28 PM, valiantman said: On 9/12/2020 at 8:08 PM, I am not Glenda said: I almost forgot I think the # 3 NY print variation is way undervalued when you consider there were only 500 examples Definitely. The CGC 8.0 TMNT #3 NYCC Variant that just ended at $1,375 somehow set a new price record and still looks like a bargain. I didn't see this $2,050 sale for CGC 8.0 TMNT #3 NYCC Variant from August 2020 on Comiclink, since it wasn't reported to GPA. https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?id=1411112&itemType=0 That $1,375 price last week already looks like a bargain. tvindy and pubmonkey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 36 minutes ago, valiantman said: I didn't see this $2,050 sale for CGC 8.0 TMNT #3 NYCC Variant from August 2020 on Comiclink, since it wasn't reported to GPA. https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/item.asp?id=1411112&itemType=0 That $1,375 price last week already looks like a bargain. Or was the $2,050 sale an over aggressive buyer and the $1,375 more spot on 🤷♂️. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubmonkey Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, LDarkseid1 said: Or was the $2,050 sale an over aggressive buyer and the $1,375 more spot on 🤷♂️. I would say $2050 is more realistic for this one... LDarkseid1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, pubmonkey said: I would say $2050 is more realistic for this one... Yeah it’s tough to say, can’t find a lot of sales data to support either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvindy Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 7 minutes ago, LDarkseid1 said: Yeah it’s tough to say, can’t find a lot of sales data to support either. It would be helpful if someone would just put up a 9+ for auction. We could learn so much from the results. If I had to guess, though, I'd say prices are still going up. LDarkseid1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...