2021 "THIS SCORE NEEDS FIXIN" REQUESTS
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On 7/22/2021 at 7:01 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I thought that I would also mention national lampoon #34, right now the numbers a 00 points across the board for this issue, there are plenty in the census, but no points whatsoever I'm registry 

The classic dog cover

Hopefully GPA or something covers magazines cause raws steadily sell for this book in mid grade at $200

Mentioning it would be nice for an update on Nintendo powers, not a lot of sales but they're also 00 points across the board

When I say 00 points there are no points available to look at lol

 

 

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Might get further if you threaten to kill the dog. :baiting:

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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=teenage+mutant+ninja+turtles+47+cgc&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_sop=16

 

Looks as though, TMNT #47 also needs a score fixing :) almost $2000 in 9.8 :banana: 

 

Score Updated 08/03/21

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Edited to correct the sales of Marvel Spotlight 28 and 29 which I inadvertently reversed.

Hello,

I request an increase in points for the following comic book issues due a significant increase in their demand as well as sale prices.

Detective Comics 395

Heritage Auctions:

9.4: Signature Series: $1,200.00 (2/21/21)

9.4: $1,440.00 (7/11/21)

 

Detective Comics 397

Heritage Auctions:

9.6: $1,440.00 (2/28/21)

9.2: $372.00 (7/11/21)

 

Detective Comics 400

eBay:

8.0: $610.00 (6/26/21)

6.0: $419.87 (6/24/21)

Heritage Auctions:

9.6: $3,840.00 (4/1/21)

9.0: $810.00 (4/25/21)

8.0: $492.00 (4/25/21)

 

Detective Comics 405

Heritage Auctions:

9.8: $9,000.00 (4/1/21)

9.6: $3,600.00 (6/19/21)

9.2: $1,020.00 (8/1/21)

 

Detective Comics 411

eBay:

8.0: $450.00 (7/15/21)

Heritage Auctions:

9.6: $10,200.00 (4/3/21)

8.5: $552.00 (6/21/21); $516.00 (3/21/21)

 

Marvel Spotlight 28

eBay:

9.8: 30 cent Variant: $9,998.88 (8/1/21); 25 cent Cover Price: $3500.00 (5/1/21)

9.6: $1899.99 (8/4/21); $1282.00 (7/7/21); $1,107.18 (5/27/21)

9.4: $999.95 (8/2/21); $1,499.95 (7/10/21); $910.00 (7/10/21)

ComicLink:

9.8: $2600.00

9.4: 30 cent Variant Cover: $2,160.00

Heritage Auctions:

9.6: $1,320.00 (8/16/21); $1,260.00 (6/13/21)

 

Marvel Spotlight 29

eBay:

9.4: $132.50 (7/30/21); $101.99 (7/18/21); $172.50 (7/12/21)

9.2: $149.00 (7/29/21); $200.00 (7/28/21)

Heritage Auctions:

9.8: $456.00 (5/30/21)

 

Moon Knight 1 First Series (11/80)

eBay:

9.8: $800.00 (8/19/21); $890.00 (8/15/21); $890.00 (8/13/21); $1,300.00 (8/13/21)

9.6: $316.00 (8/20/21); $335.00 (8/18/21); $424.99 (8/12/21)

ComicLink:

9.8: $600.00

9.6: $275.00; $294.00

Heritage Auctions:

9.8: $930.00 (7/12/21); $960.00 (6/28/21); $900.00 (5/30/21)

9.6: $336.00 (8/16/21)

 

Werewolf By Night 32

eBay:

8.5:$6,100.00 (8/19/21)

8.0: $4,250.00 (8/13/21)

7.0: $3,050.00 (8/15/21)

ComicLink:

9.2: $9,250.00

8.0: $4,250.00

Heritage Auctions:

9.2: $7,800.00 (7/26/21); $8,700.00 (6/21/21)

9.0: $6,900.00 (6/6/21)

8.5: $4,560.00 (5/9/21)

Thank you for your consideration and best regards.

 

Hello @Tec-Tac-Toe

We use the latest Issue of the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide to score comics whenever possible.  If the comic is not listed in Overstreet, we average current auction prices to score.  I have reviewed the comics listed above, and in almost all cases, the scores are over and above the prices listed in Overstreet.  (I did adjust Detective Comics 411)  

Thanks for your request, and have a great day!

-Brian

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On 6/29/2021 at 2:57 PM, docgo said:

Hello, a few weeks ago, all #27s from the Bone (Cartoon Books) sets were mysteriously taken out from accounts who had them as part of their sets. Ultimately, this wasn’t a problem since they could easily be reinserted using the “available comics” tab on the Edit Comics page.

Today, however, I saw that everyone’s #22 was taken out of their sets but they DON’T show up in the “available comics” tab for the #22 slot. I can still see my #22 in the comics manager portal in my control panel so the info hasn’t been erased. It’s just that it can’t be reinserted. If you can fix this, that would be great.

Oh, and the scores seriously need to be updated across the board. They’ve never increased since the set was first created in 2007. Thanks!

Hello, made this request a little over a month ago and the problem with #22 in the Bone (Cartoon Books) set still exists. Let me know when it can be rectified. Thanks!

 

Sorry about that @docgo. Here is what I see on my end for Bone #22 in the Bone (Cartoon Books) Set:

Issue: 22

Date: 10/96

Year: 1996

ID:239444

Publisher:
Cartoon Books

There is also an Image Published Bone 22, published 2/96.

Issue: 22

Date: 2/96

Year: 1996

ID:
59785

Publisher:
Image Comics

I added that book to the slot, please see if it shows up, if it doesn't, please send screenshots and details to:

brogiers@collectiblesgroup.com

And I will get with Customer Service to try to resolve this issue.

In the meantime, I will review the scoring for that set, and

Scores adjusted according to Overstreet 09/03/21

Thanks!

-Brian

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On 9/1/2021 at 3:05 PM, docgo said:

Hello, made this request a little over a month ago and the problem with #22 in the Bone (Cartoon Books) set still exists. Let me know when it can be rectified. Thanks!

 

Sorry about that @docgo. Here is what I see on my end for Bone #22 in the Bone (Cartoon Books) Set:

Issue: 22

Date: 10/96

Year: 1996

ID:239444

Publisher:
Cartoon Books

There is also an Image Published Bone 22, published 2/96.

Issue: 22

Date: 2/96

Year: 1996

ID:
59785

Publisher:
Image Comics

I added that book to the slot, please see if it shows up, if it doesn't, please send screenshots and details to:

brogiers@collectiblesgroup.com

And I will get with Customer Service to try to resolve this issue.

In the meantime, I will review the scoring for that set, and

Scores adjusted according to Overstreet 09/03/21

Thanks!

-Brian

The Image #22 now shows up for its slot. Thanks Brian.

The fix with the scores is mostly good. I realize there is very little sales data for Bone #12-55 but just about any 9.8 within this range sells for a minimum of $150 these days. I think the scores for these issues should be in the 50-70 range at least, if not more.

Thanks again Brian!

Hello @docgo

I am very glad that issue is visible now.  As I stated in the post above, we use The Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide to score books in the registry.  Unfortunately, due to the size of the registry, we cannot keep track of market fluctuations for every book.  I have no doubt that those issues are worth 150, but according to Overstreet, #11 - #20 are scored at 6 for a 9.2. 

There is currently a discussion about scores and how they affect competitive sets overall here:

 

 

I would appreciate your input on this topic, if possible.  One of the toughest parts of my job is scoring books accurately and fairly at the same time.  

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On 9/6/2021 at 8:34 PM, docgo said:

The Image #22 now shows up for its slot. Thanks Brian.

The fix with the scores is mostly good. I realize there is very little sales data for Bone #12-55 but just about any 9.8 within this range sells for a minimum of $150 these days. I think the scores for these issues should be in the 50-70 range at least, if not more.

Thanks again Brian!

Hello @docgo

I am very glad that issue is visible now.  As I stated in the post above, we use The Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide to score books in the registry.  Unfortunately, due to the size of the registry, we cannot keep track of market fluctuations for every book.  I have no doubt that those issues are worth 150, but according to Overstreet, #11 - #20 are scored at 6 for a 9.2. 

There is currently a discussion about scores and how they affect competitive sets overall here:

 

 

I would appreciate your input on this topic, if possible.  One of the toughest parts of my job is scoring books accurately and fairly at the same time.  

For the general books between #12-55, I would say that there should be more of a premium added to the 9.6s and 9.8s (if this can be done). The current universal formula, starting from 9.2 is 6, 15, 20, 35 (9.8). In my opinion, it should be 6, 20, 38, 60 (9.8) at least. I typically see a severe drop off in value for modern books at 9.2 given their age and availability in the higher tiers. Since nearly all of the Bone books have those damn black back covers, this has put more of a premium on the higher graded books. Most of this increase has occurred in the last year after the Netflix announcement.

Thanks for listening Brian!

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Hi,

Can you please update scores for Human Torch 23 Timely 1946? Here are recent sales from Heritage Auctions and GPAnalysis. Scores for this classic Alex Schomburg robot cover are a tiny fraction of what they should be.

Adjusted score according to Overstreet 2021 which has Human Torch 23 at 5200 for a 9.2

 

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Thanks,

Nathan

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On 9/9/2021 at 12:48 AM, NerdingOut said:

Hi,

Can you please update scores for Human Torch 23 Timely 1946? Here are recent sales from Heritage Auctions and GPAnalysis. Scores for this classic Alex Schomburg robot cover are a tiny fraction of what they should be.

Adjusted score according to Overstreet 2021 which has Human Torch 23 at 5200 for a 9.2

 

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Thanks,

Nathan

It's interesting and extremely disappointing that you're using Overstreet to value CGC graded comic books. How very 1992 of you. Sad that you're continuing to award 1/3 of a point per dollar to rare classic golden age books worth 4 grand but any knuckle head can get 4x points per dollar for a $300 9.8 copy of The Killing Joke with 3000+ copies floating around. 

 

Sorry you feel that way @NerdingOut but that is what I was told to do.  There is an open discussion concerning scoring and how keys are affecting competitive sets here:

Feel free to express your views there.

@NerdingOutThat particular book was part of The Promise Collection, which is why it sold for such a high price:

 The Promise Collection is a set of nearly 5,000 comic books, 95% of which are blisteringly high grade, that were published from 1939 to 1952 and purchased by one young comic book fan.  The name of the Promise Collection was inspired by the reason that it was saved and kept in such amazing condition since that time. An avid comic book fan named Junie and his older brother Robert went to war in Korea.  Robert Promised Junie that he would take care of his brother's beloved comic book collection should anything happen to him. Junie was killed during the Korean War, and Robert kept his promise. 

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Silver Surfer #1 (1968) Graded Copies: 4350 - Graded 9.8: 9 - Last 9.8 Sale $33000 - 9.8 Registry Points: 12000

Silver Surfer #nn (1978) Graded Copies: 45 - Graded 9.8: 5 - Last 9.8 Sale: $500 - 9.8 Registry Points: 44

Silver Surfer #1 (1982) Graded Copies: 950 - Graded 9.8: 325 - Last 9.8 Sale: $170 - 9.8 Registry Points: 80

The #nn (1978) is 100 times as rare as the #1 (1968) in any grade, and twice as rare in 9.8, yet commands only 0.4% of the 1968 point total.  

The #nn (1978) is 21 times as rare as the #1 (1982) in any grade, and 67 times as rare in 9.8, yet commands only 50% of the 1982 point total.

The only "recent" sale of the 1978 Fireside issue is a CGC 9.2 for $335.  At current scale that would put the price of a 9.8 around $2K, but given the rarity I'm guessing the actual strike price would be considerably higher.  For your consideration of course.   Thanks!

Adjusted #1 (1968) and #nn (1978) according to recent sales in GP Analysis.

#1 (1982) Not adjusted, cannot find recent sales data, Overstreet shows 15 for 9.2

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Hello,

I would like to request an update on the registry point scores for the following issues:

ASM 134: 2nd appearance of the Punisher in cameo.  There are only 41 9.8’s on the census and there where two sales over 5k for this book.

ASM 135: 2nd full appearance of the Punisher.  There are only 33 copies of this book in 9.8.  There where two sales of the book over $6600 for this book.

Giant Size Spider-Man 4: 3rd appearance of the Punisher, first appearance of the battle van.  There are only 22 copies of this book in 9.8.  Last sale was over $5k.

Thank you for the consideration.

Scores adjusted according to GPAnalysis sales data 09/27/21

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I think Nintendo Power #1-15 need adjusting based on recent higher grade sales

Scores adjusted for #1 - #7 according to GPAnalysis Sales data. 

Issues #8 - #15 do not have enough sales data to adjust.

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https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=nintendo+power+cgc&_sacat=0&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1&_sop=16

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On 9/17/2021 at 10:11 PM, Figment said:

Silver Surfer #1 (1968) Graded Copies: 4350 - Graded 9.8: 9 - Last 9.8 Sale $33000 - 9.8 Registry Points: 12000

Silver Surfer #nn (1978) Graded Copies: 45 - Graded 9.8: 5 - Last 9.8 Sale: $500 - 9.8 Registry Points: 44

Silver Surfer #1 (1982) Graded Copies: 950 - Graded 9.8: 325 - Last 9.8 Sale: $170 - 9.8 Registry Points: 80

The #nn (1978) is 100 times as rare as the #1 (1968) in any grade, and twice as rare in 9.8, yet commands only 0.4% of the 1968 point total.  

The #nn (1978) is 21 times as rare as the #1 (1982) in any grade, and 67 times as rare in 9.8, yet commands only 50% of the 1982 point total.

The only "recent" sale of the 1978 Fireside issue is a CGC 9.2 for $335.  At current scale that would put the price of a 9.8 around $2K, but given the rarity I'm guessing the actual strike price would be considerably higher.  For your consideration of course.   Thanks!

Adjusted #1 (1968) and #nn (1978) according to recent sales in GP Analysis.

#1 (1982) Not adjusted, cannot find recent sales data, Overstreet shows 15 for 9.2

Thank you kind sir.

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when we request adjustment here, does it affect the signature series score too?

I would suggest Incredible Hulk 181 and 180 possibly 182 as well

and ASM 50 and 129,

along with Fantastic Four 48 and 49

Avengers #1 from 1963.

 

:tink: just  a thought! and I thought I'd ask while I had some time :) 

 

Adjustments are made on the individual slots, if the book in question is in that slot(s), the score applies to that book, if that makes sense...

Incredible Hulk

#181 Adjusted  #180 Not Adjusted(insufficient sales data)  #182 Adjusted

Amazing Spiderman

#50 Adjusted   #129 Adjusted

Fantastic Four

#48 Adjusted  #49 Not Adjusted (Score is in line with sales data)

Avengers

#1 Adjusted

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Hello Everybody,

I would like to reinforce Matt G's guidelines when it comes to Scoring Adjustment Requests, and let you know my methodology and thoughts about scoring in general.

First, here are Matt G's guidelines:

This is the place to request that scores in the CGC Registry competitive scores be evaluated. You may have slight disagreements with scores, but some of those slight disagreements just boil down to a judgment call. What we're looking for here are clearly incorrect scoring examples. Please provide links, sales histories or any other data that may be helpful in making the appropriate changes to the score.

When making requests, please use full title of the book and publish date. There have been so many reboots, I just want to make sure that we are looking at the same book.

I understand that you are anxious to have you scores updated, but let's take this slow. Start with the key issues that irk you most and need the attention the most. 

Please try to avoid request like "Update all scores in X-Men (1963)." While I agree, some of these type of requests will be valid, I would like to focus on single book upgrades that are grossly under valued in points and less of the 700-800 books need to go up one point. Multiple people, requesting 700-800 all at once, is only going to clog the pipe. I am not saying "no" to these type of requests. I am just asking if we can hold off for a bit.

*Posts that have been edited after the original posting date will now be skipped and not revisited. Meaning, if you add more to your request at a later date, I will not fulfill it. Your request will be ignored and you need to resubmit your request. In short, don't try to skip others. I'm hip to it. Don't do it.  Make a new post for your new requests, don't add to the old one.

***If the score simply has a “0” just PM me and I will fix it.****

Thank you for your patience and participation in the registry!

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As for my thinking/methodology:

I will always go to Overstreet first. then I will go to GPAnalysis and attempt to average the 3-4 latest sales, and adjust accordingly.

If I am unable to determine an average score, I will deny the adjustment request.  

I will not adjust a score for 1 sale on Ebay!

I realize this might upset some people, but, if a book sells for $40,000 on a one off sale via Ebay, that does not mean the book is worth that much. 

It was worth that much to the person that bought it.

I hope you all understand this, and I would invite you to share your thoughts and concerns on this thread:

 

 

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Hello Brian

Thanks for these latest updates, but I think your finger may of slipped when it came to the Amazing Spider-man #50. Even allowing for this crazy market we're in, I'm not sure that my 9.4 copy is now worth 175,000 Registry points - maybe next year, but not this year! Perhaps you could take another look at this particular issue at your convenience?

On a more general point I'm a run collector and whilst I have most of the Marvel Silver and Bronze Age keys I'm not sure how healthy it is for the Registry to keep on hiking up the scores on key issues almost after every new high-water mark sale. Personally speaking I get pleasure from holding nice runs of certain titles and feel a little uneasy that in some cases one book in the run accounts for over 50% of the total points value.

Sure, the Registry should reflect the market but a little incentivisation for run collectors wouldn't go amiss. Not sure what the best solution is but I'd be interested to hear thoughts from you and other set owners.

Thanks for the great work you keep on doing.

Jon

 

Thanks for letting me know, yeah, i added an extra 0 on there....o_0

The adjusted score should be in line with FMV now, again, thanks for your honesty.

And thanks for your input, can you post your thought on the Set Scores thread for me?  I have been trying to get as much input as I can to present to my boss concerning Scoring as it relates to competitive sets.

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Thank-you very much Matt (& wytshus) for all you have done/do for the Registry….in a very short amount of time. Seems the fastest I’ve ever seen updates to scores, new set additions, errors deleted, etc. Just nice seeing so much attention to the Registry. 👍

I was just wanting to reiterate what someone had mentioned somewhere in a thread, about “completion” of sets and bonus points awarded for such. I thought that was a great idea to give “completionists” a bump to their set scores for achieving 100%.    
Just food for thought for you, the powers that be and for the collectors reading this.
 

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It appears your changing the Nintendo Power registry 

Nintendo power #15 btw is called Nintendo Power Strategy Guide, it doesnt need to be seperate from the Nintendo Power (1988), which is getting hard to notice the census as the search doesnt seem to ever work for it, that's how I discovered update 9/28/2021 that strategy guide business. 

You updated values for issues #1-5 of Nintendo Power 

But the subscription editions of those issues might need adjusting too?

 

Here is what is in the database for NP #15:

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Statement:  The total points are calculated as follows: 

- Only comics that are currently registered in a set are included.

- If the same comic is entered in more than one set, its points are only counted once.

- If a comic is scored differently in various set defintions,  it receives the higher score.

Question:  Why would a comic be scored differently in different sets?

 

Not sure this is possible. As far as I have seen, when a score is defined for a particular book, that is the score. This may be old information.

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