Are prices still climbing or have they eased up a bit??? 45 45

[Jordysnordy]

On 1/22/2023 at 8:38 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Somebody (or rather multiple somebodies) went nuts.

I was bidding on two 9.6 WPs, and I got one of them (#98) for a good price but the other (#100) went for nearly 3x FMV.  Part of me wonders if somebody thought it was another 9.8.  

Was hoping you would win both when I saw them.

[Rob]

On 1/22/2023 at 5:25 PM, VintageComics said:

The reason X-men keys have dropped is because everyone was expecting a massive announcement at SD last year. 

When that didn't happen, the market backed off. Why? Because some people only bought to hold for the short to medium turn. Not everyone can hold indefinitely. 

But you KNOW it's coming. Disney didn't spend $90BIllion to put them on a shelf. 

When those announcements come everything Mutant will go nuclear again. 

And people with deep pockets know this and are buying the dips. 

So it ever was. So it shall be. 

Well, X-Men #1 in 2.0 was my example because that was a book that was within my reach pre-pandemic, that I was hoping I could afford when I came back to comics last year.  I don't think this drop is exclusive to X-Men books.  Did you see DC#'s update the other day.  Red across the board.

[Motor City Rob]

On 1/22/2023 at 8:49 PM, Rob said:

Well, X-Men #1 in 2.0 was my example because that was a book that was within my reach pre-pandemic, that I was hoping I could afford when I came back to comics last year.  I don't think this drop is exclusive to X-Men books.  Did you see DC#'s update the other day.  Red across the board.

Agreed. These price corrections are happening to almost all big keys in almost all grades.

[VintageComics]

On 1/22/2023 at 8:49 PM, Rob said:

Well, X-Men #1 in 2.0 was my example because that was a book that was within my reach pre-pandemic, that I was hoping I could afford when I came back to comics last year.  I don't think this drop is exclusive to X-Men books.  Did you see DC#'s update the other day.  Red across the board.

Just to be clear, I wasn't criticizing you. Just meant to add to your thoughts. 

Sure. Some books are dropping more than others. 

The books that went up fast and hard are coming down fast and hard. Books that stayed stable are still stable. 

X-men #1 rose sharper and faster than most books so it seemed due to over correct. 

But X-men run books for example are more stable because they didn't rise as quickly. They are selling well and prices are reasonable stable from what I've seen. 

My point was really geared towards the steep rise for X-men keys like #1, #94 and GSX #1 which went up hard and pulled back a bit. Pretty sure those key books will rebound in the same way AF #15 popped around 2017, pulled back a bit and then went off to new heights again.

Don't take my word as Gospel though. This isn't investment advice. Just my opinion based on what I've seen over and over. 

I just don't see X-men #1 or GSX #1 going back down to 2019 levels again personally, although I could be wrong. 

I don't follow stats much but isn't it Marvel's most popular franchise?

In fact, I see them pushing the franchise as it embodies Marvel's new "PC" outlook on everything. 

[GrasshopperFF]

All this talk about X Men prices dropping … Anyone with an X Men 1 looking to move it??? Asking for a friend. 

[Lazyboy]

On 1/19/2023 at 9:55 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

Serious question, why does Nick Fury #1 fetch such low prices compared to the other 1968 #1s?  It's never made much sense to me.  For that matter, Strange Tales #135 doesn't get that much love either.

Can it really be because they cast Samuel L. Jackson in the MCU instead of a white dude?

If there were actually legions of moviegoers who became comic collectors, this could have some influence, with the character barely resembling the one they know.

But the real answer is even simpler. Nick Fury is not a popular character. He can't carry a series. That title lasted only 18 issues. His next (and final ongoing series) managed to get cancelled at the height of the 90s boom after only 47 issues. If you think Nick Fury 1 is low now, imagine where it would be if Steranko hadn't been involved!

[comicnoir]

On 1/22/2023 at 9:12 PM, Lazyboy said:

If there were actually legions of moviegoers who became comic collectors, this could have some influence, with the character barely resembling the one they know.

But the real answer is even simpler. Nick Fury is not a popular character. He can't carry a series. That title lasted only 18 issues. His next (and final ongoing series) managed to get cancelled at the height of the 90s boom after only 47 issues. If you think Nick Fury 1 is low now, imagine where it would be if Steranko hadn't been involved!

It certainly went into the dumpster after Jim left.

[KCOComics]

This is my favorite of Jim's Fury run. Although #2 isn't far behind. 

I had him sign this for my ten year old son in NH last year. 

I have never been a big signature chaser, but I felt like we lost allot of great artist the last few years and the window to meet these guys is closing. So my son and I took the trip up North to meet Jim and chat with him for a few minutes. 

It will never be worth the cost of the signature, but I can't imagine ever trying to sell it. 

His signature is a work of art by itself. 

 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by KCOComics

[VintageComics]

There's also a point that I feel needs to be made. 

While there are many books dropping, many books are rising as well. 

And sometimes the same book can be going up in some grades but down in others.

I look at some books that I'm trying to figure out value on and I see the lower grades, say in 9.0 or 9.2, selling for nearly as much as, say, a 9.4 of that issue when there should be a stepped difference for each grade. Stuff like that.

Are the 9.0/9.2 grades pushing up or is the 9.4 grade pulling down?

Or you take a particular issue.

There's the issue number affecting the value.

There's the grade affecting value. 

There's the page quality affecting the value.

There's the trend of which direction the issue has been moving in affecting the value. 

There's the surrounding issues affecting the value. 

Are there comparable issues in other titles affecting the value of the issue you're researching?

Do you take all of those into account? 

There are MANY market dynamics and many sliding scales going on, or happening across the hobby. 

That's why I've always cautioned against using one data point to establish value. You need to try to do it in the context of the entire market around that book and books that don't trade often take more effort. 

This goes back to the discussion me and Buzzetta had when he asked how to value a "one off" book like the Superman #1 Mile High sale and I replied that it's like when you build a skyscraper: There is a lot of data you process to build a budget for a skyscraper and the more time and effort you put into building that budget (or establishing a value), the more accurate it will be. 

Especially in a dynamic market like the one we're in right now with a lot of fluctuation and everything being a moving target, value is far more complicated than looking up a GPA value for a specific issue in a specific grade at a specific time.

The people who know how to budget a sky scraper or pinpoint a value on a comic spend their money differently than people who don't.

Of course there's always risk, but one of the best ways to smooth out market volatility is to educate yourself better and make better decisions. 

 

Edited January 23, 2023 by VintageComics

[Microchip]

On 1/23/2023 at 1:44 PM, VintageComics said:

Are the 9.0/9.2 grades pushing up or is the 9.4 grade pulling down?

9.2 is the new 9.4.

I've been noticing it as well, very strong 9.0/9.2 sales results in relation to 9.4 values.

I previously was putting it down to price ceilings.   Where guys are happy to bid aggressively on a book to ceiling point in their price bracket.   If 9.4 copy of the same book sits outside of that ceiling, the ratio of prices between the grades becomes irrelevant for these guys.

 

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/22/2023 at 9:12 PM, Lazyboy said:

If there were actually legions of moviegoers who became comic collectors, this could have some influence, with the character barely resembling the one they know.

But the real answer is even simpler. Nick Fury is not a popular character. He can't carry a series. That title lasted only 18 issues. His next (and final ongoing series) managed to get cancelled at the height of the 90s boom after only 47 issues. If you think Nick Fury 1 is low now, imagine where it would be if Steranko hadn't been involved!

Hmmm ... without disagreeing with anything you've said, at least some of this could also be said for Silver Surfer's 18-issue run or Doctor Strange's 15-issue run.  But again, I don't dispute that Nick Fury is less popular than either of those two characters in the bigger scheme of things.

And I don't think it's so much about moviegoers becoming comic collectors as it is about comic speculators being so responsive to MCU news and rumors.

I could probably have made a similar point about another 1968 sort-of #1, Marvel Super-Heroes #12, whose FMV is lower than #13 because the original Mar-Vell isn't in the MCU (and likely never will be) but Carol Danvers is.  Those two are more completely different characters than 616 Fury and Utlimates Fury, but there's a somewhat similar pattern.

[lizards2]

On 1/22/2023 at 7:07 PM, Sweet Lou 14 said:

On 1/22/2023 at 6:12 PM, Lazyboy said:

If there were actually legions of moviegoers who became comic collectors, this could have some influence, with the character barely resembling the one they know.

But the real answer is even simpler. Nick Fury is not a popular character. He can't carry a series. That title lasted only 18 issues. His next (and final ongoing series) managed to get cancelled at the height of the 90s boom after only 47 issues. If you think Nick Fury 1 is low now, imagine where it would be if Steranko hadn't been involved!

Hmmm ... without disagreeing with anything you've said, at least some of this could also be said for Silver Surfer's 18-issue run or Doctor Strange's 15-issue run.  But again, I don't dispute that Nick Fury is less popular than either of those two characters in the bigger scheme of things.

And I don't think it's so much about moviegoers becoming comic collectors as it is about comic speculators being so responsive to MCU news and rumors.

I could probably have made a similar point about another 1968 sort-of #1, Marvel Super-Heroes #12, whose FMV is lower than #13 because the original Mar-Vell isn't in the MCU (and likely never will be) but Carol Danvers is.  Those two are more completely different characters than 616 Fury and Utlimates Fury, but there's a somewhat similar pattern.

I can't believe the movies have any affect at all, outside of the flippers selling to flippers selling to flippers, ad nauseam scenario, which the hobby seems to be stuck in. Marvel makes some really terrible movies. I haven't seen half of them, as most of the ones I've seen are just garbage. Sure, there were some good ones, but I can count them on one hand.
No, no, I get it. But this just isn't happening in my world.  I guess I need an ostrich graemlin.  

[World Devourer]

On 1/23/2023 at 1:12 PM, Lazyboy said:

If there were actually legions of moviegoers who became comic collectors, this could have some influence, with the character barely resembling the one they know.

But the real answer is even simpler. Nick Fury is not a popular character. He can't carry a series. That title lasted only 18 issues. His next (and final ongoing series) managed to get cancelled at the height of the 90s boom after only 47 issues. If you think Nick Fury 1 is low now, imagine where it would be if Steranko hadn't been involved!

All true, but there is a 9.9 of NF#1 that is noteworthy.

Interestingly, it trails the 9.9 of Iron Man & Sub-Mariner #1 and Iron Man #1 by a considerable margin.

 

[chrisco37]

On 1/19/2023 at 5:07 PM, VintageComics said:

These are some of my Clnk results. I erased one book which I wanted to keep private. 

But the rest of results are all in a ballpark where they should be with some going a bit cheap, some in the middle and a few even breaking records..

The FF #74 went nuts and set a record. I couldn't sell it at 2/3 the price in a fixed price format. 

The FF #58 went about 10% cheap, as did the Nick Fury #1 but they had OWW to pages so I expected that. 

The ASM #1 GRR went just a hair under the last GPA (it also had OWW pages)

Had they been White pagers they would have gone nuts I'm sure. 

The IF #14 was White pager but a book was ready to discount thinking the market was dropping a few months ago. Had a boardie I was talking to about and he ended up not pulling the trigger. Glad he didn't. It went for a crazy price on Clink. Ditto to the FF #74, couldn't move this book for the life of me and it goes nuts at auction. 

The DD #7 went really cheap. Someone got a steal on that book as it looked like a NM copy. 

The X-men 9.8s went a bit cheap compared to GPA but all in the $3000 range where I expect mid 1960's X-men to be.

So that's my snap shot in time. 

 

FF#74 is the "budget friendlier" version of 49 (I've always thought).  Similar color scheme with both Galactus & Surfer on the cover.  With 49 out of reach for many collectors nowadays, some people probably gravitating to 74.  

 

[pickycollector]

On 1/22/2023 at 7:39 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Cover gives me a headache

I can’t be the only one....

Great centering on this copy!

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:58 AM, pickycollector said:

On 1/22/2023 at 7:39 PM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Cover gives me a headache

I can’t be the only one....

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Great centering on this copy!

Pulled the pic from a CGC 9.6 on heritage

Look at that top edge 

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:00 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Pulled the pic from a CGC 9.6 on heritage

Look at that top edge 

That wouldn't be a 9.6 at time of grading, which leads me to believe Shaken Comic Syndrome

[Sweet Lou 14]

On 1/23/2023 at 9:58 AM, pickycollector said:

Great centering on this copy!

Yeah, the headache it gives me is squarely between my eyeballs!!

[pickycollector]

On 1/23/2023 at 10:00 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

Pulled the pic from a CGC 9.6 on heritage

Look at that top edge 

Is that a stain in the upper left corner in the white area just above Nick Fury's head?

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 1/23/2023 at 11:01 AM, pickycollector said:

Is that a stain in the upper left corner in the white area just above Nick Fury's head?

Looks like it