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10 hours ago, Bird said:

If the prices are "website" high, the show won't be around too long I would think. Watching others buy is (oddly) reinforcing, but watching overpriced art hawked and not sell will end that reinforcement pretty quickly.

I have a page on my wall that I bought from Bechara at an early comic art con, one of the stack-of-art-not-on-the-website pages. That kept me visiting his booth for years. But if the first show has prices I feel are insane I won't be watching much more. (I have seen some of Bill's.)

If they want to make money and have an entertaining, sustainable show, they’ll price to sell. I think there’s room for these guys to put more vintage art up for sale that isn’t just inventory filler like it seems the bulk of the DD stuff is. Although Burkey is, according to Bill, now reserving his fresh art for the show. And I’ve noticed that the quality of the art generally on DD has increased over the past few weeks. We’ll see. 

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5 minutes ago, lobrac said:

I'm looking forward to the "Shilligan's Island" episode where dealers get their buddies to bid on their own auction house consignments. Heaven forbid a piece of art sells for less than a dealer feels it's worth!

And then we see the art re-offered again by the same dealer a few podcasts later?

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2 hours ago, vodou said:

I maintain that nobody takes on extra work without extra pay, unless they have to. There is an inventory issue with all these players.

Is it possible The Hobby has completely run out of ignorant widows and disinterested children to take advantage of? Could the result be that some dealers have been paying "full market" too often on things that weren't worth "market" to begin with? If so...karma.

$75 pages sell for $200 through auction houses and then get listed in various classified locations for $400 and sit unsold. 

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1 hour ago, lobrac said:

I'm looking forward to the "Shilligan's Island" episode where dealers get their buddies to bid on their own auction house consignments. Heaven forbid a piece of art sells for less than a dealer feels it's worth!

What makes you think it hasn’t happened already? 

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9 minutes ago, Hockeyflow33 said:

$75 pages sell for $200 through auction houses and then get listed in various classified locations for $400 and sit unsold. 

There's a separate thread for this called: (attempted) Flip of the Day!

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1 hour ago, lobrac said:

I'm looking forward to the "Shilligan's Island" episode where dealers get their buddies to bid on their own auction house consignments. Heaven forbid a piece of art sells for less than a dealer feels it's worth!

Did you suggest shilling? Oh my no, it never happens, not in this hobby.

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2 hours ago, vodou said:

I maintain that nobody takes on extra work without extra pay, unless they have to. There is an inventory issue with all these players.

Is it possible The Hobby has completely run out of ignorant widows and disinterested children to take advantage of? Could the result be that some dealers have been paying "full market" too often on things that weren't worth "market" to begin with? If so...karma.

I agree that there seems to be an excess of supply for higher priced material, but advertising does stimulate demand, and “claim” shows can juice prices by adding a sense of immediacy. On the other hand, why be bothered with some of  the “old masters” when newer art can be excellent at a much lower price? Maybe too many suckers have been suckered enough.

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18 hours ago, Rick2you2 said:

 Maybe too many suckers have been suckered enough.

Seeing what new to the hobby people are paying for some of these recent pages through Facebook groups and live sales and I just wonder why people jump into something without doing research. 

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2 hours ago, Hockeyflow33 said:

Seeing what new to the hobby people are paying for some of these recent pages through Facebook groups and live sales and I just wonder why people jump into something without doing research. 

Research is very important to me. I've been burned because I didn't do my research. I couldn't do one of these claim shows unless it was a piece on which I had already done... the research.

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50 minutes ago, John E. said:

Research is very important to me. I've been burned because I didn't do my research. I couldn't do one of these claim shows unless it was a piece on which I had already done... the research.

Good point. They are tailor-made for dealers looking to expand inventory, or specialists in artists to follow, and have too much free time on their hands. When I redid my office several years ago, Bankruptcy auctions of furniture stores were a great benefit. Same principal.

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On 6/5/2021 at 1:37 PM, Bill Cox said:

Since DD started at the end of January, 75% of what's been shown has been new art to either guy's inventory, and the art is usually priced to sell and they are obviously willing to negotiate. That's why the show has almost a 75% sales rate, and much of the art sells in the recap for lower than their original asking price.

I probably wont be back here in a while so I'll address the earlier question about why it's only been Mike and Anthony. That's by no fault of mine since I offered other dealers the chance to be on the show when it first started. I just asked for some patience while I figured out a format that worked. A couple Dealers didn't want to wait, and/or wanted to be on every week. I have a few others interested but not to the level where they are ready to be on the show. That's why we tested the waters with the collector shows which have been a lot of fun to host. It's as simple as that.

Thanks for the clarification, Bill. 

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1 hour ago, cloud cloddie said:

Not sticking around for the ‘bonus round’ cause I have stuff to do, but that was about what I was expecting. Prices too high, at least from Glen, hence nothing sold by him before recap. I thought Bechara had some interesting stuff at better prices. A timer would help on the rounds. As usual, lots of talk about what similar pieces have sold for - which can be disingenuous considering Glen was trying to sell an Isherwood Strange splash for 2500, when he picked up a similar piece on DD a few weeks ago for 1000 hm

They’ll figure it out. In this format, you have to price to sell and be willing to drop your asking price. You don’t have the luxury of it just sitting on their site and fielding offers. 

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1 hour ago, cloud cloddie said:

Not sticking around for the ‘bonus round’ cause I have stuff to do, but that was about what I was expecting. Prices too high, at least from Glen, hence nothing sold by him before recap. I thought Bechara had some interesting stuff at better prices. A timer would help on the rounds. As usual, lots of talk about what similar pieces have sold for - which can be disingenuous considering Glen was trying to sell an Isherwood Strange splash for 2500, when he picked up a similar piece on DD a few weeks ago for 1000 hm

Big surprise. 

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