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On 8/30/2021 at 4:56 PM, sellingitall said:

just the wrinkle line, or the spots too? any idea how much the wrinkle line will count off? .2 or more? thanks.

 

https://www.cgccomics.com/boards/forum/42-hey-buddy-can-you-spare-a-grade/

 

Post pics of the entire book, both wraps and spine individually in this thread for better answers....

 

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You ask for an answer you will never get.  There is no "how much do they count off for" .CGC graders don't have a grading card where they look and knock of points or fractions of a point for each defect they see.  The reason someone has already replied "post pictures of the entire book" is because the entire book is assigned a grade, based on it's overall appearance. 

The small defects you show in your picture probably have little  impact on the grade at 8.0, zero impact at 6.0 or less. But more on higher grade.  A more accurate way to think of grading isn't "who much do the take off?" but instead "what's the best grade you can get with this defect?"

You also need to realize that CGC does not answer what if questions, a grader is not going to look at your pictures and give you an answer.  Neither do they publish a grading guide - much as many of us wish they would.  Because if they did they'd spend all day lawyering grades with those unhappy with their grades instead of grading books.  TAT would be measured in years, not months.   

Getting a handle on how CGC grades is developed over years of sending books in. Your researching similar books on eBay is an excellent idea. So  is funnybooks answer a few hours ago to post up pictures of the entire book in the please  grade me sub-forum.   People with will offer an opinion based on their experience.  

I will only note grade wise all prestige format (or perfect bound) books have a line/indent like this at the glue line.  The question is if the book has been opened and read - how carefully, how many times. Because wrinkling forms along the line/indent from the book being opened. I see a tiny bit of that at the top of the front cover but no where else. So it appears to be a very minor thing. 

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On 8/30/2021 at 5:26 PM, sellingitall said:

I've read your answer before on other posts too, and disagree with some of it. I do do searches before I post on forums. I've read PGM and grading questions posts for years now, and many times they're wrong or not much help. Guesses I don't need, I want actual experiences.

"You ask for an answer you will never get.... You also need to realize that CGC does not answer what if questions, a grader is not going to look at your pictures and give you an answer." I didn't ask a 'what if' question, I asked them a straight forward 'is it a defect or not, yes or no?' question, with pics, which should be easy for them to answer, but the rep chose not to bother an actual grader, so didn't want to push it further. Wouldn't be any different if I asked if a 1/2" corner crease was counted off for, that's an easy yes. But I have gotten such an answer from CGC way in the past, but I know they really don't do that  anymore, but it was worth a shot. I had a grader via a rep answer about the spine fraying thing 2 years ago from pics I sent of 2 books, so 1 I didn't send in, the other I finally did in April, still waiting to be graded, so won't know for sure if the spine will pass 9.8 or not (rest of the book should). But another issue of the same title from close to the same time, with a very similar spine edge, got 9.8 back in 2017 (only copy graded too, DC STNG title), but they may have changed standards since, from what others have posted. And the 1 I'm waiting on has no copies graded either, so they have to go by similar issues from that title that are also double size to decide if it's a 'common' thing and not count off for it, so I won't be surprised if it comes in lower than the other issue, but fingers crossed...

"CGC graders don't have a grading card where they look and knock of points or fractions of a point for each defect they see." You know this how? I don't know if you've worked there tho, haven't memorized the few posters here that used to work for CGC. But I've been told by a grader specifically they'll knock off .2 for a light thumbed wrinkle line if over an inch. This was way back tho. Others have told me 'this is a .5 deduction, this is X point' etc, so surely they have some kind of points system for defects. Of course it's written down for them to refer too, they can't memorize every little defect deduction. We all know they don't publish their in-house standards, but they have more detailed in-house standards.

"The reason someone has already replied "post pictures of the entire book" is because the entire book is assigned a grade, based on it's overall appearance." I KNOW THIS, I've been at this CGC stuff for a long time, and that's the same answer the rep gave. Again, I'm not asking for a total grade really, just some kind off actual EXPERIENCE on this particular thing. I didn't post in the PGM forum cuz I'm just asking a simple (I think) grading question on two types of potential defects. Seeing the whole book doesn't matter so much, the pics show what I need to show and get an experienced answer on. As in "I got an otherwise 9.8/9.6 back as a 9.6/9.4 and the grader notes only mentioned the spine wrinkle." Or "I've had multiple prestige format recently graded and all got the expected grades with and without the lines" (say 9.6 to 9.8). That's the info I'm looking for. If I had experience for this type of problem and someone asked the same question, I could tell them 'mine got dinged for the wrinkles, apparently by X tenths, as otherwise is was an easy 9.6 or 9.8 and graders notes mentioned it." Or, it didn't. Don't need to see 14 pics of the whole book to answer that.

"The small defects you show in your picture probably have little impact on the grade at 8.0, zero impact at 6.0 or less. But more on higher grade". The ebay ones say different, you can see they did allow for the wrinkle line on those, but doesn't mean they always do, that was a small sample. I expect my #2 and #3 to be 9.6 normally, to give you an idea. Each has maybe 1 other little thing that would keep it out of 9.8, I THINK, based on my experience, but CGC still surprises sometimes with what they let slide and what they don't. As noted, all guesses were wrong on that DKR 1.

I've owned plenty of prestige format books and read them, so I know about the indent/wrinkle line, just hadn't had any graded to know for sure how it affects the grade (sold most before CGC came along, been collecting since the '80s). Ones done AFTER DKR have a production indent line to help the cover open easier and not do the wrinkle thing so much, so that's normal production, but in the DKR days that wasn't how they were produced. If you click on my pic it will open to a bigger one that shows the wrinkle line on the front cover better, and it goes the length, but the 2 pics show the best areas to see it. It's pretty evident in person. I'm thinking the back cover is more likely to get dinged because the line is easier to see, but a couple of those ebay 9.6's look like mine on the back too, so I'd be happy with a 9.6.

As for the Hulk, it may take some time before other owners run into this thread and let me know if they have or have seen others with those spots, and if they got graded and dinged or not, Or may hear nothing,that happens frequently with these queries.

Time for dinner.

 

 

 

 

I'm quite sure your response to Tony's attempt to help you out will result in dozens of people volunteering to be of more help. 

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On 8/30/2021 at 8:26 PM, sellingitall said:

"CGC graders don't have a grading card where they look and knock of points or fractions of a point for each defect they see." You know this how? I don't know if you've worked there tho, haven't memorized the few posters here that used to work for CGC. But I've been told by a grader specifically they'll knock off .2 for a light thumbed wrinkle line if over an inch. This was way back tho. Others have told me 'this is a .5 deduction, this is X point' etc, so surely they have some kind of points system for defects. Of course it's written down for them to refer too, they can't memorize every little defect deduction. We all know they don't publish their in-house standards, but they have more detailed in-house standards.

I'm pretty sure Tony is right on the money on this one---there is no "grading card" that I've ever seen or heard of. But they do occasionally talk to each other and pass books back and forth...  :bigsmile:

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On 8/30/2021 at 8:26 PM, sellingitall said:

Again, I'm not asking for a total grade really, just some kind off actual EXPERIENCE on this particular thing. I didn't post in the PGM forum cuz I'm just asking a simple (I think) grading question on two types of potential defects. Seeing the whole book doesn't matter so much, the pics show what I need to show and get an experienced answer on. As in "I got an otherwise 9.8/9.6 back as a 9.6/9.4 and the grader notes only mentioned the spine wrinkle." Or "I've had multiple prestige format recently graded and all got the expected grades with and without the lines" (say 9.6 to 9.8). That's the info I'm looking for.

As long as that's the only flaw, they used to give books with a very light reading wrinkle along the spine a 9.2 - 9.4 (it also may depend on whether it's on the front or back cover). If the book appears unread, it could get a 9.8 or better. So it really can range from 9.2 (or even lower) to 9.8 (or even higher). Better pictures (full front and back) would probably help your cause...

And you're right, the reason graders don't answer these kinds of questions anymore is because they're extremely busy grading books that folks have actually submitted for grading...  :whistle:

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On 8/30/2021 at 10:44 PM, sellingitall said:

I've been pretty good with my grading guesses for my submissions, so sure, I don't have that stuff written down, but I'm not getting paid to grade either, or have had a wide enough grade 'variety' with my submissions to know all what they count off how much for in every grade.

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