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The Incredible Hulk #180 Club
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On 9/8/2021 at 1:13 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:
On 9/7/2021 at 6:35 PM, Mr.Fantastic said:

You are correct sir ! MS 5 came in at a whopping $264,000 for a 9.8 during a June 2021 Heritage auction. Those black borders are near impossible in that grade. That price even beats out IH 181 and GSX 1! Still leaves our IH 180 in the top four unless there are others??

House of secrets 92

Dont forget to check if hos92 was more than #180

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As a kid, I followed the contest they had to create a new character. And the kid who submitted Wolvie won. So, that whole thing left a bad taste in my mouth. I could never stand the character. Oddly enough, I was PMing with a boardie last week and I recalled that's where I had stopped collecting the IH title. At 180. I had forgotten about that. I was 11 or 12, I guess.

I had spoken to my wife about buying a copy of 181 a few years ago as it was starting to heat up. She refused. I showed her what they are selling for now and she was surprised. She clung to her "but even in 2018 that was a lot of money". Yeah, but I could have sold it now and tripled our investment. I could have EASILY sold it having no emotional attachment whatsoever. Selling my HOS 92 will be next to impossible on the other hand.

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On 9/8/2021 at 8:10 PM, Mr.Fantastic said:

HOS 92 shows a FMV of $72,000 in 9.8, but the last sale looks to be 2018.  So, I suppose thats another one above our beloved IH#180. Still top 5!

Late to the party, but are we forgetting Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant?   Using the highest grade available common to all these issues, a SW#1 35-cent in 9.4 was $40800 in September. By comparison, in 9.4:   MS5 = $19.2K in Spetember; IH181 = $18K in September; GSX1 = $12K in  October; HOS92 = no recent sales, but presumably something in that ballpark.  IH180 in 9.4 = $5040 in October, so quite behind those still.  

This suggests Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant remains the King of the BA, as ranked by Overstreet Price Guide in recent years.  Where the others (MS5, IH181, GSX1, and HOS92) rank from 2-5 might also depend on the valuation of Iron Fist #14 35-cent price variant, for which a 9.4 sold for $8200 way back in 2017, and Cerebus #1, which has only two in 9.4 and none higher and sold for $12K in 9.4 in 2019. Scooby Doo #1 only has two 9.4s, the highest graded, so that might be top 7 still.  And Green Lantern #76 = $6900 in June, so could be higher than IH180, too, at least for now.  

So IH180 might not crack top 10 in the BA.  Still respectable and possibly climbing the ranks.    

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On 11/9/2021 at 5:21 PM, Pantodude said:

Late to the party, but are we forgetting Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant?   Using the highest grade available common to all these issues, a SW#1 35-cent in 9.4 was $40800 in September. By comparison, in 9.4:   MS5 = $19.2K in Spetember; IH181 = $18K in September; GSX1 = $12K in  October; HOS92 = no recent sales, but presumably something in that ballpark.  IH180 in 9.4 = $5040 in October, so quite behind those still.  

This suggests Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant remains the King of the BA, as ranked by Overstreet Price Guide in recent years.  Where the others (MS5, IH181, GSX1, and HOS92) rank from 2-5 might also depend on the valuation of Iron Fist #14 35-cent price variant, for which a 9.4 sold for $8200 way back in 2017, and Cerebus #1, which has only two in 9.4 and none higher and sold for $12K in 9.4 in 2019. Scooby Doo #1 only has two 9.4s, the highest graded, so that might be top 7 still.  And Green Lantern #76 = $6900 in June, so could be higher than IH180, too, at least for now.  

So IH180 might not crack top 10 in the BA.  Still respectable and possibly climbing the ranks.    

I never considered variants in the equation.

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On 11/9/2021 at 3:21 PM, Pantodude said:

Late to the party, but are we forgetting Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant?   Using the highest grade available common to all these issues, a SW#1 35-cent in 9.4 was $40800 in September. By comparison, in 9.4:   MS5 = $19.2K in Spetember; IH181 = $18K in September; GSX1 = $12K in  October; HOS92 = no recent sales, but presumably something in that ballpark.  IH180 in 9.4 = $5040 in October, so quite behind those still.  

This suggests Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant remains the King of the BA, as ranked by Overstreet Price Guide in recent years.  Where the others (MS5, IH181, GSX1, and HOS92) rank from 2-5 might also depend on the valuation of Iron Fist #14 35-cent price variant, for which a 9.4 sold for $8200 way back in 2017, and Cerebus #1, which has only two in 9.4 and none higher and sold for $12K in 9.4 in 2019. Scooby Doo #1 only has two 9.4s, the highest graded, so that might be top 7 still.  And Green Lantern #76 = $6900 in June, so could be higher than IH180, too, at least for now.  

So IH180 might not crack top 10 in the BA.  Still respectable and possibly climbing the ranks.    

The last Cerebus #1 CGC 9.4 sold for $29,130.

https://www.comiclink.com/auctions/history.asp?item=1453575&back=%2Fauctions%2Fitem%2Easp%3Fback%3D%252FAUCTIONS%252FPREVIEW%252EASP%253Fcode%253D2021feb%2523Item%255F1453575%26id%3D1453575%26itemType%3D0

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On 11/9/2021 at 6:21 PM, Pantodude said:

Late to the party, but are we forgetting Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant?   Using the highest grade available common to all these issues, a SW#1 35-cent in 9.4 was $40800 in September. By comparison, in 9.4:   MS5 = $19.2K in Spetember; IH181 = $18K in September; GSX1 = $12K in  October; HOS92 = no recent sales, but presumably something in that ballpark.  IH180 in 9.4 = $5040 in October, so quite behind those still.  

This suggests Star Wars #1 35-cent price variant remains the King of the BA, as ranked by Overstreet Price Guide in recent years.  Where the others (MS5, IH181, GSX1, and HOS92) rank from 2-5 might also depend on the valuation of Iron Fist #14 35-cent price variant, for which a 9.4 sold for $8200 way back in 2017, and Cerebus #1, which has only two in 9.4 and none higher and sold for $12K in 9.4 in 2019. Scooby Doo #1 only has two 9.4s, the highest graded, so that might be top 7 still.  And Green Lantern #76 = $6900 in June, so could be higher than IH180, too, at least for now.  

So IH180 might not crack top 10 in the BA.  Still respectable and possibly climbing the ranks.    

Excuse my ignorance because I know next to nothing about price variants, but I'm pretty sure there's no IH180 181 price variants to match apples to apples against SW1 and IF14 right? 

Assuming there's not....it goes back to the same question. What do we mean by "king" of any age? Does that mean popularity/demand or valuation/rarity?

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On 11/15/2021 at 5:41 PM, MGsimba77 said:

Excuse my ignorance because I know next to nothing about price variants, but I'm pretty sure there's no IH180 181 price variants to match apples to apples against SW1 and IF14 right? 

Assuming there's not....it goes back to the same question. What do we mean by "king" of any age? Does that mean popularity/demand or valuation/rarity?

Good question.  People have different favs, so we can't presume to define "king" of the BA for everyone.  And IH180/181 has no price variants that I know of.  But we do have industry practices.  Overstreet Price Guide, which has been ranking the BA keys for decades by including the 35-cent price variants, has crowned SW#1 35-c the King of the BA for many years running.    

Comparing BA key valuations while including price variants is still apples and apples.  The post above discussed the highest valued BA keys, with the initial examples being MS5, HOS92, GSX1, and IH181 in 9.8 grade.  Of those four, only MS5 (4 in census) and HOS 92 (3 in census) are scarce in grade.  Just like the MS5 hitting $264K in 9.8 due to relative scarcity, the SW#1 35-cent is in the stratosphere due to its scarcity in grade (zero 9.8s and only two 9.6s).   So MS5, HOS92, and SW#1 35-c are all rare in their highest respective grades, and their value presumably derives from their popularity and thus demand.            

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On 11/15/2021 at 9:32 PM, Pantodude said:

So MS5, HOS92, and SW#1 35-c are all rare in their highest respective grades, and their value presumably derives from their popularity and thus demand

Okay I just always assumed scarcity had a lot to do with demand in those cases especially SW1. 

I'm just wondering what value a theoretical IH181 price variant highest grade as tough to find as SW1 35c would command? I mean to me, that would be apples to apples. Could be a good chance it blows all those other books listed combined out of the water. So this view would presume the term "king of anything" has more to do with the character's popularity than census #.

But as you say...there is no definitive standard all must follow. My 2c is that Wolverine is king of the BA, most relevant character of that era thus 181 deserves to be king. 

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On 2/24/2022 at 11:33 PM, HarrisonJohn said:

What is Wendigo hitting Hulk with? 

I'm assuming a rock. When I've read it, they seemed near a mountain or cliffish type area. Perhaps just a boulder rock then lol

I'll say this, the angle of the rock and distance between hulk and wendigo, seems off. It has always struck me as a bit of an odd cumbersome clutter of a cover :shy: 

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On 2/25/2022 at 8:30 AM, ADAMANTIUM said:
On 2/24/2022 at 11:33 PM, HarrisonJohn said:

What is Wendigo hitting Hulk with? 

I'm assuming a rock. When I've read it, they seemed near a mountain or cliffish type area. Perhaps just a boulder rock then lol

I'll say this, the angle of the rock and distance between hulk and wendigo, seems off. It has always struck me as a bit of an odd cumbersome clutter of a cover :shy: 

I'm pretty sure it's one of the famous Canadian corncob-firing boulders, because you can see the corncobs shooting out of the end onto Hulk's head from the next hill over.

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