Where's the beef? 1 1

[RafaVia]

On 9/20/2021 at 10:40 PM, artdealer said:

My site is not included in the “top sellers” of the week, which I prefer. 

Which site will that be? (Sorry for the noob question)

[Rick2you2]

On 9/21/2021 at 4:41 AM, NicoV said:

It might be more a question of quality than quantity. Looking at ComicArtTracker stats, the flow is quite stable. Usually between 6000 and 7000 new art listed every week. See graph below on the last 200 weeks (~ 4 years):

I think that’s putting it mildly. A lot of what shows up includes unsold stuff from eBay that gets listed over and over, while more and more people keep posting things like their sketch of a bare-bottom Velma as art—and then redraw the image and call it WW. Is there any way to permanently block individual images from showing up in repeated “new” listings? I’m not even counting the sketch books; the umpteenth listing of Dean Yeagle’s sketches of a young girl in various naked poses doesn’t annoy me, even if I don’t want it. God knows about the unsticky or sticky condition of its interior pages.

[Twanj]

I'd like to be able to filter out certain terms globally (like color guides & artists who do recreations).

[NicoV]

On 9/21/2021 at 11:38 AM, Rick2you2 said:

I think that’s putting it mildly. A lot of what shows up includes unsold stuff from eBay that gets listed over and over, while more and more people keep posting things like their sketch of a bare-bottom Velma as art—and then redraw the image and call it WW. Is there any way to permanently block individual images from showing up in repeated “new” listings? I’m not even counting the sketch books; the umpteenth listing of Dean Yeagle’s sketches of a young girl in various naked poses doesn’t annoy me, even if I don’t want it. God knows about the unsticky or sticky condition of its interior pages.

These stats do not take into account art from eBay below $100 that did not sell.

On 9/21/2021 at 12:22 PM, Twanj said:

I'd like to be able to filter out certain terms globally (like color guides & artists who do recreations).

See screenshot below, that's what you're looking for. But please note that it might exclude some art that you don't really want to exclude, just because someone decided to copy the whole biography of an artist, including some keywords that have nothing to do with this specific art... That's why I personally don't use this feature: I do prefer to visually filter a lot of cr*p rather than missing out a "false positive"!

Edited September 21, 2021 by NicoV

[Twanj]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:47 AM, NicoV said:

See screenshot below, that's what you're looking for. But please note that it might exclude some art that you don't really want to exclude, just because someone decided to copy the whole biography of an artist, including some keywords that have nothing to do with this specific art... That's why I personally don't use this feature: I do prefer to visually filter a lot of cr*p rather than missing out a "false positive"!

Doh! That's it. I've already been using it but forgot!

[Rick2you2]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:47 AM, NicoV said:

These stats do not take into account art from eBay below $100 that did not sell.

See screenshot below, that's what you're looking for. But please note that it might exclude some art that you don't really want to exclude, just because someone decided to copy the whole biography of an artist, including some keywords that have nothing to do with this specific art... That's why I personally don't use this feature: I do prefer to visually filter a lot of cr*p rather than missing out a "false positive"!

Can I block “half-naked Velma”, listed for $220 who, after she doesn’t sell in week 1 on eBay gets relisted on weeks 2-infinity? Is that even doable from a technical perspective? As it is, I am tired of seeing the first Martian story going for $3,000,000 discounted to $600,000 (it looks like it was done by a first grader). First few times, funny, now, annoying.

[NicoV]

On 9/21/2021 at 1:13 PM, Rick2you2 said:

Can I block “half-naked Velma”, listed for $220 who, after she doesn’t sell in week 1 on eBay gets relisted on weeks 2-infinity? Is that even doable from a technical perspective? As it is, I am tired of seeing the first Martian story going for $3,000,000 discounted to $600,000 (it looks like it was done by a first grader). First few times, funny, now, annoying.

I would also love to stop seeing the same lots from eBay every week, and that's definitely a feature that I plan to develop one day. But that's a quite complex one to put in place, and it could impact server performance if I don't do it properly.

[artdealer]

On 9/21/2021 at 4:48 AM, RafaVia said:

Which site will that be? (Sorry for the noob question)

graphiccollectibles.com

[RBerman]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:13 AM, Rick2you2 said:

Can I block “half-naked Velma”, listed for $220 who, after she doesn’t sell in week 1 on eBay gets relisted on weeks 2-infinity? Is that even doable from a technical perspective? As it is, I am tired of seeing the first Martian story going for $3,000,000 discounted to $600,000 (it looks like it was done by a first grader). First few times, funny, now, annoying.

Yep. I really wish eBay would segregate the porny pinups away from the published pages.

[malvin]

On 9/21/2021 at 11:21 AM, RBerman said:

Yep. I really wish eBay would segregate the porny pinups away from the published pages.

I think ebay should just bring back the listing fee.

No listing fee leads people to fish and list things at unrealistic prices with no consequence (to them, for us we have to wade through things)

Malvin

[zhamlau]

I just wish I could blocker sellers so I wouldn’t see their listings. You could make a list of crappy no-interest hack artists and auction house resellers. They never have anything worth having anyway.

[Panelfan1]

On 9/21/2021 at 6:22 AM, Twanj said:

I'd like to be able to filter out certain terms globally (like color guides & artists who do recreations).

I use the exclusions list extensively. One I like to screen for is 'gargoyles'. The first time it was fun to see.. after that.  Not necessary.

 

 

[Varanis]

On 9/20/2021 at 3:39 PM, Will_K said:

On Thursdays, on Comic Art Live (youtube), Bill Cox will cover the top sellers and top sales for the week.  "Top sellers"... among the web sites that are managed by Bill.  This is actually a couple dozen web sites, I think the latest is Catskill Comics.  For example, as a premium member, when you use the keyword search and it turns up items on certain dealer web sites, these web sites are managed by Bill. 

Maybe adding previously sold art on their web sites might be the easiest way for dealers to record their own sales.  That might be a reason why newly listed items on the web site are already marked as "sold".  For example, I bought a piece that did not appear on the dealer's web site (or on Dueling Dealers, etc) but I know it was part of Bill's coverage.

Yes. This is why. I believe Mike and Felix have both explicitly stated they do this. You used to not be able to find Felix commission costs and other non-drop sales in CAF dealer data. Now they're all there.

Re: quality of entries on ComicArtTracker - I find it's gotten pretty useless for big name artists like Jack Kirby, Frazetta, etc. So many listings use their names on non-related items that the CAT results aren't very helpful. I've still found it helpful for less renowned artists - there are just fewer hits because their body of work is smaller and thus comes up for sale less often. But when there is a result, it's a real piece.

[Rick2you2]

Looks like another “Beyond Beef” weekend.

[NicoV]

On 9/22/2021 at 9:55 PM, Varanis said:

Re: quality of entries on ComicArtTracker - I find it's gotten pretty useless for big name artists like Jack Kirby, Frazetta, etc. So many listings use their names on non-related items that the CAT results aren't very helpful.

With favs and "discard all", I doubt you get tons of new Kirby or Frazetta every day.

I follow more than 100 keywords and I don't spend more than 30s every day to check the new listings matching my favs. In fact, I first click on "discard all" then I scroll down and if need be I undiscard / track the art I'm interested in.

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by NicoV

[Twanj]

On 9/22/2021 at 3:55 PM, Varanis said:

Re: quality of entries on ComicArtTracker - I find it's gotten pretty useless for big name artists like Jack Kirby, Frazetta, etc. So many listings use their names on non-related items that the CAT results aren't very helpful. I've still found it helpful for less renowned artists - there are just fewer hits because their body of work is smaller and thus comes up for sale less often. But when there is a result, it's a real piece.

I look for Kirby and no issues. Not sure what you're doing different.

I don't look for Frazetta so maybe that one is bad.

Because of this discussion I did re-enable ebay on CAT and wow there is a lot of the cheap garbage fan art. Probably going to turn that back off and rely on ebay's own saved searches.

[Mighty Hal]

On 9/24/2021 at 4:40 AM, NicoV said:

With favs and "discard all", I doubt you get tons of new Kirby or Frazetta every day.

I follow more than 100 keywords and I don't spend more than 30s every day to check the new listings matching my favs. In fact, I first click on "discard all" then I scroll down and if need be I undiscard / track the art I'm interested in.

 

I wanted to follow your steps, but the "--" discard button can't be found. The other symbols are there, though. The option to "Discard all" isn't there, either. Is this because I use a tablet instead of a desktop computer?

Edited September 24, 2021 by Mighty Hal
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[NicoV]

On 9/24/2021 at 4:13 PM, Mighty Hal said:

I wanted to follow your steps, but the "--" discard button can't be found. The other symbols are there, though. The option to "Discard all" isn't there, either. Is this because I use a tablet instead of a desktop computer?

You don't have it on a regular search, only when checking your favs:

1. define your favs (see here)
2. go to the search page and click on "check all favorites now"

[Mighty Hal]

On 9/24/2021 at 8:57 AM, NicoV said:

You don't have it on a regular search, only when checking your favs:

1. define your favs (see here)
2. go to the search page and click on "check all favorites now

Had no idea that was an option. Thanks!

[Rick2you2]

On 9/24/2021 at 7:40 AM, NicoV said:

With favs and "discard all", I doubt you get tons of new Kirby or Frazetta every day.

I follow more than 100 keywords and I don't spend more than 30s every day to check the new listings matching my favs. In fact, I first click on "discard all" then I scroll down and if need be I undiscard / track the art I'm interested in.

 

The unfortunate problem with keyword searches is that they assume the keyword was “key” to the person writing the description, he/she, could type, and also knew how to spell. I once picked up a nice bit of art which others may have missed where the entry clerk had mistakenly entered a character’s name as “Phantom Strangler” (which actually sounds like a great potential character). Since I sometimes search for the Phantom, I got lucky. Looking for something which is activity-based, like Alex’s collection of arm-wrestling characters (although he gets commissions) is a similar problem. Or, just group shots without identifying individuals.