Page unstapled Grade reduction.... 3 3

[Corallas]

So I have an amazing spiderman 16 , it is relatively low grade I would estimate a 3.5-4.5 , lets call it a 4 for the sake of discussion.

This is my assessment from the overall outer appearance . 

It also has a page that is not stapled , the whole book is complete , there is nothing severely wrong with the inside of the book save this unstapled page which sits right 

where it is supposed to . 

Assuming the book is a 4.0 in all other aspects , how much does this free standing page hurt the grade? 

Thanks!

 

PS my guess is the deduction would be more severe if it was a 9.8 in all other aspects save the loose page ? 

[Funnybooks]

In your scenario, no affect on grade at all...do you have pics? 

[zzutak]

On 11/23/2021 at 8:44 AM, Corallas said:

It also has a page that is not stapled ...... free standing page ...... loose page.

Are you trying to tell us that your book includes one completely detached leaf? 

[Corallas]

On 11/23/2021 at 12:05 PM, zzutak said:

Are you trying to tell us that your book includes one completely detached leaf? 

Yes you got it one completely detached leaf from the staples 

[Corallas]

Two pics, sitting where it is supposed to and off the staples 

[Corallas]

On 11/23/2021 at 11:51 AM, Funnybooks said:

In your scenario, no affect on grade at all...do you have pics? 

Yup threw up some pics 

[zzutak]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your pics suggest that this is not a detached leaf (2 pages) but a detached wrap (4 pages) -- specifically, a detached centerfold.  Is this correct?

Edited November 23, 2021 by zzutak
Stray Image Removed

[Funnybooks]

a detached page(s) is acceptable in the 4.0 grade range of your scenario

Thanks for the pics

[Corallas]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:14 PM, zzutak said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but your pics suggest that this is not a detached leaf (2 pages) but a detached wrap (4 pages) -- specifically, a detached centerfold.  Is this correct?

Oh didnt understand the difference and have never heard the term wrap before . I thought a leaf was what you define as a wrap .

So yes it is only 1 acual piece but yes would be 4 pages and I believe a wrap using your definition .

[Corallas]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:15 PM, Funnybooks said:

a detached page(s) is acceptable in the 4.0 grade range of your scenario

Thanks for the pics

oh interesting , would it receive some type of incomplete grade or other notification of damage or abnormality on the cover ?

[zzutak]

[Funnybooks]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:21 PM, Corallas said:

oh interesting , would it receive some type of incomplete grade or other notification of damage or abnormality on the cover ?

not for that defect alone

[Corallas]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:30 PM, zzutak said:

Haha and a 4.0 . Yes I guess it does look like the center page , didnt realize that would be called the centerfold in a regular book . I am guessing this page is more likely

to be loose overall based on how the pages are arranged . Nice fantastic four book btw.

[Point Five]

Hmm, from the photos I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that there's "nothing wrong" with the inside of the book. The centerfold looks torn with some rust transfer and the staples look to be somewhere between rusty and deteriorating; those aren't production defects. I'd like to see scans of the front & back, but there's enough structural stuff going on that I'd say a 4.0 looks *highly* unlikely.

 

[Funnybooks]

On 11/23/2021 at 4:43 PM, Point Five said:

Hmm, from the photos I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that there's "nothing wrong" with the inside of the book. The centerfold looks torn with some rust transfer and the staples look to be somewhere between rusty and deteriorating; those aren't production defects. I'd like to see scans of the front & back, but there's enough structural stuff going on that I'd say a 4.0 looks *highly* unlikely.

 

agreed..there's more than meets the eye outside of the detached pages

[Randall Dowling]

On 11/23/2021 at 3:43 PM, Point Five said:

Hmm, from the photos I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that there's "nothing wrong" with the inside of the book. The centerfold looks torn with some rust transfer and the staples look to be somewhere between rusty and deteriorating; those aren't production defects. I'd like to see scans of the front & back, but there's enough structural stuff going on that I'd say a 4.0 looks *highly* unlikely.

Exactly.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

Not sure how much CGC counts off for a detached centerfold, but I’ve got a book with 2 centerfolds detached. To me, it looks like an 8.5-9.0(readers here are free to disagree on that), but the centerfold detachments knocked it down to a 6.5

Edited November 23, 2021 by GreatCaesarsGhost

[Corallas]

On 11/23/2021 at 4:43 PM, Point Five said:

Hmm, from the photos I'm not sure I'd agree with the statement that there's "nothing wrong" with the inside of the book. The centerfold looks torn with some rust transfer and the staples look to be somewhere between rusty and deteriorating; those aren't production defects. I'd like to see scans of the front & back, but there's enough structural stuff going on that I'd say a 4.0 looks *highly* unlikely.

 

I acually did a PGM on this a while back , here is the link to it . 

Have to get it cleaned and pressed as well before submission. 

 

[Point Five]

On 11/23/2021 at 6:35 PM, Corallas said:

I acually did a PGM on this a while back , here is the link to it . 

Have to get it cleaned and pressed as well before submission. 

 

Oh yep, that's helpful. The front does look pretty nice and the staples look better than I was anticipating. 

I'd guess 3.0/3.5 range, factoring in the interior defects. Just my  but I'd be a little nervous about cleaning/pressing, as not sure the grade can go *that* much higher and I'd hate for any more detachment to happen at the staples.

 

[Corallas]

Even with that severe wrinkling that a press should remove a lot of ?