MAR1979 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) The "Promise Collection' was nothing more than promise they would squeeze a buyer for every last cent by hook or by crook. Blatantly apparent but yet did not seem to bother most. In the State the auction will be held, it appears any and all fraud perpetrated by an auction house is legal. Thus no expectation the item will be pulled, even if they do its likley book will sold privately to some rube with deep pockets. Edited December 13, 2021 by MAR1979 Larryw7, jimbo_7071, D84 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JollyComics Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) Probably Dylan will take this book. Edited December 13, 2021 by JollyComics Jimmy Linguini , Larryw7, ThothAmon and 7 others 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LDarkseid1 Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 I called Heritage to let them know might be best to pull it and resend to CGC. That should be corrected before it goes up for sale. zosocane, Point Five, thehumantorch and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosocane Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 10:49 AM, szav said: If this is the original owners copy what incentive did a kid that age have to marry the wrong back cover to a book like that? I thought the same, but my thinking is that the kid purchased it from a used book store in the mid- to late-40s. I don't think it was his OO copy which he Frankensteined. I'll believe that he saw that copy in a used book store, his eyes popped open with excitement, and he purchased it. That would have been, I think, a tough copy to find in any condition during that time period in the geographic area he lived. Badger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosocane Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) That said, now I'm wondering whether the front cover is married. Edited December 13, 2021 by zosocane Point Five and Larryw7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 11:58 AM, zosocane said: That said, now I'm wondering whether the front cover is married. MARIO CRISTOBAL BABY!!!! Miamiknight3434, zosocane and circumstances 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post catman76 Posted December 13, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 Heck, maybe the insides aren't even a Whiz #2. No way to know with it sealed up. LDarkseid1, Point Five, MAR1979 and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lhcomics Posted December 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) I think this is the correct back cover and the other 57 graded by CGC have the wrong back covers. This comic will sell for a fortune. Edited December 13, 2021 by lhcomics thehumantorch, Gotham Kid, Monsters-n-heroes and 11 others 1 1 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo_7071 Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 (edited) On 12/13/2021 at 2:20 PM, zosocane said: Wrong back cover? I never realized that Martin Short had done a Jim Halperin impersonation. He nailed it. Edited December 15, 2021 by jimbo_7071 Larryw7, Chicago Boy and zosocane 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted December 14, 2021 Administrator Share Posted December 14, 2021 Thank you for making us aware of this. Heritage will be sending the book back to us to correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
path4play Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/12/2021 at 10:44 PM, catman76 said: Don't they usually point out such things? Kind of a big thing to overlook... https://comics.ha.com/itm/golden-age-1938-1955-/whiz-comics-2-1-the-promise-collection-pedigree-fawcett-publications-1940-cgc-fr-10-cream-to-off-white-pages/p/7266-12203.s?ic4=GalleryView-Thumbnail-071515# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skypinkblu Posted December 14, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 14, 2021 CGC Pedigree Status Criteria The collection must be original owner. This means that the books must have been bought off the newsstand as they came out. For example, a collector cannot buy a high-grade run of 1940s comics from various sources and expect it to be considered a pedigree. The original owner need not currently own the comics for the collection to be considered for pedigree status. The collection must be of vintage material. This means that a large collection consisting of comics from the 1970s to present cannot be considered a pedigree. In fact, until the sale of some key White Mountain books in a Sotheby’s auction in the early 1990s, Silver Age comics were not accepted as pedigree collections. Comic books from 1966 and after are relatively common in high grade compared to earlier issues. This occurred as a direct result of a tremendous explosion in the number of collectors in fandom in the mid-1960s. Collections that are primarily from 1966 and after must have average grades of at least 9.4 to be considered a pedigree. The collection must consist of a considerable number of comics. Most pedigree collections consist of at least 1,000 books and some number over 10,000 comics. The collections that consist of fewer books, such as the Allentown and Denver collections, must include extremely rare, important, and/or key material. The collection must be high-grade. Comics from the Silver Age in general would have to be 9.2 and higher, and a collection of exclusive Silver Age material must have an average grade of 9.4. Golden Age comics would have to be high-grade as well. For example, the Lost Valley collection consisted of many golden age books from before 1941 that were technically mid-grade, but were almost across the board the highest graded copy for that book. Page quality must be nice as well. alexgross.com, Readcomix, goldust40 and 5 others 5 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDarkseid1 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 5:01 PM, CGC Mike said: Thank you for making us aware of this. Heritage will be sending the book back to us to correct. Crisis averted . And so the universe is now, oh well I'll just let a good friend of mine say it, Point Five 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
szav Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 12:53 PM, zosocane said: I'll believe that he saw that copy in a used book store, his eyes popped open with excitement, and he purchased it. At this stage of the game would a used book store even be carrying a shredded copy of a Whiz #2? Was there even a market for used comics yet? Would an original owner (still a young kid) buying everything else fresh off the stands even have need to search for a back issue, or were the back issues even well documented enough that a kid would have known it was the first appearance or an important issue? Larryw7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicjack Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 6:58 PM, szav said: At this stage of the game would a used book store even be carrying a shredded copy of a Whiz #2? Was there even a market for used comics yet? Would an original owner (still a young kid) buying everything else fresh off the stands even have need to search for a back issue, or were the back issues even well documented enough that a kid would have known it was the first appearance or an important issue? For us older guys we did things like that just picked issues that caught the eye.I think he didn't even know what he had and no reference back then either The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larryw7 Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2021 Thanks for reopening this thread, Mike. szav, Readcomix, Randall Dowling and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lou_fine Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/12/2021 at 7:44 PM, catman76 said: Don't they usually point out such things? Kind of a big thing to overlook... On 12/12/2021 at 8:01 PM, Crowzilla said: Maybe that's why it's a sample copy Well, I clicked onto the link and it does state that it is only an Auction Preview. And as such, it goes on to clearly state that the "item many not have yet been properly described or vetted" and "they are continuing to add and correct information as they approach the auction posting date." Glad to see that CGC has stepped in and taken the book back to ensure that the label and infomation therein is proper and correct. IngelsFan, Readcomix, The Lions Den and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transplant Posted December 17, 2021 Share Posted December 17, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 6:22 PM, Larryw7 said: Thanks for reopening this thread, Mike. I'll ask again. @CGC Mike Why was it closed to begin with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catman76 Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 11:34 PM, lou_fine said: Well, I clicked onto the link and it does state that it is only an Auction Preview. And as such, it goes on to clearly state that the "item many not have yet been properly described or vetted" and "they are continuing to add and correct information as they approach the auction posting date." Yeah so? All their auction previews always say that and always have. Has nothing to do with cgc making a huge mistake like that. It all makes me not trust cgc even more. Why I do not understand people that buy slabs and then keep them sealed up and never see what the comic looks like inside. I could never own something that I never have seen what the most important part of the comic looks like. If they miss huge things like a wrong back cover, what could they have missed on the insides before? Especially these promise comics that seem to be all a mess grading wise and now them not even noticing a wrong back cover on one. Badger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator CGC Mike Posted December 18, 2021 Administrator Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/17/2021 at 2:11 PM, Transplant said: On 12/14/2021 at 7:22 PM, Larryw7 said: Thanks for reopening this thread, Mike. I'll ask again. @CGC Mike Why was it closed to begin with? Seems it is open now, I am not sure it matters why it was locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...