KirbyJack Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 My favorite Sal work is his Captain America run. tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aardvark88 Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 8:16 AM, Bill C said: ...he could do a couple of card tricks also? Sorry, think u got Sal mixed up with the other 'God' Jim Steranko, magi who did card tricks circa 1959 per Magician mag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkininkin Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 2:55 AM, Rick2you2 said: You’re the pro, as well as a student of the subject. So, I’ll defer to your knowledge and expertise. However… it’s Mendoza line. Doh!!! I knew that but you are 100 correct! Where is spell check when you need it?! If one is going to make an online point like I was, at least spell it correctly! KirbyJack, fsumavila and Rick2you2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkininkin Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Do any of the Sal fans on this list like his pairing with Klaus Janson, such as a big chunk of the later Defenders run? It was the only time I actively bought any Sal books, but it was because of what Klaus did to Sal's pencils. I know that Janson was very heavy handed, but that's exactly why I loved it! Super dense shadows, secondary light sources, delicate details...LOVED IT! JadeGiant, KirbyJack and zhamlau 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirbyJack Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 Loved Klaus inking Gil Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkininkin Posted April 17, 2022 Share Posted April 17, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 12:15 PM, KirbyJack said: Loved Klaus inking Gil Kane. Yes, my favorite Klaus pairing, even including Miller. KirbyJack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exitmusicblue Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 The Mankini Thor Cabal is wary of the Cult of Sal. Like IH 181 is wary of IH 180. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 12:14 AM, stinkininkin said: Do any of the Sal fans on this list like his pairing with Klaus Janson, such as a big chunk of the later Defenders run? It was the only time I actively bought any Sal books, but it was because of what Klaus did to Sal's pencils. I know that Janson was very heavy handed, but that's exactly why I loved it! Super dense shadows, secondary light sources, delicate details...LOVED IT! No, I hated Janson's inks on Sal. They were so stylistically different that it was like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Pontoon Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 12:14 PM, stinkininkin said: Do any of the Sal fans on this list like his pairing with Klaus Janson, such as a big chunk of the later Defenders run? It was the only time I actively bought any Sal books, but it was because of what Klaus did to Sal's pencils. I know that Janson was very heavy handed, but that's exactly why I loved it! Super dense shadows, secondary light sources, delicate details...LOVED IT! When I was buying those issues off the racks, I didn't care for Janson's inks so much. I found them visually interesting but too dark, heavy and claustrophobic. But then in later years I came around to really appreciate and love them; I consider that part of the run the best art on the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 There are some penciler-inker combos that work, and some that would be terrible. Janson, and before him Tom Palmer, worked well for artists who had a heavier, darker style. Gene Colan and Palmer, for example. They complemented each other. Janson would've been terrible on someone like Byrne or Jim Lee. Janson inking Sal was like Robert Fripp playing guitar on a Ramones album. "Fine line" inkers like Colletta did not work on an artist like Kirby, which most people agree to be the case. I don't know if John Severin ever inked Kirby, but I think it would've been a complete disaster if he had, even though I generally like Severin's inks and love his pencils. marktom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaykin Stevens Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 2:42 PM, tth2 said: There are some penciler-inker combos that work, and some that would be terrible. Janson, and before him Tom Palmer, worked well for artists who had a heavier, darker style. Gene Colan and Palmer, for example. They complemented each other. Janson would've been terrible on someone like Byrne or Jim Lee. Janson inking Sal was like Robert Fripp playing guitar on a Ramones album. "Fine line" inkers like Colletta did not work on an artist like Kirby, which most people agree to be the case. I don't know if John Severin ever inked Kirby, but I think it would've been a complete disaster if he had, even though I generally like Severin's inks and love his pencils. Severin inked Kirby in Yellow Claw #4 and did finished art over Kirby layouts on Nick Fury in Strange Tales #136-138, which I liked fine. I wasn't crazy about Byrne/Janson on Avengers #182 & 183 or Wolverine #17-23, but didn't mind the Lee/Janson combo on Punisher War Journal #11. tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaykin Stevens Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/16/2022 at 7:26 PM, Timely said: Classic splash page to Marvel Team-up Annual #1 featuring the team-up of Spider-Man & the newly formed X-Men team!1st appearance of the New X-Men outside of their own title. This comic came out the same time as X-Men #101. That makes this the 11th appearance of Wolverine & the 10th appearance of the New X-Men. This is also the 2nd appearance of Jean Grey as the Pheonix! According to Mike's Amazing World, Marvel Team-Up Annual #1 was published after X-Men #102, which I think would make it the 14th Wolverine, 11th New X-Men and 3rd Phoenix, who was later retconned not to have been Jean Grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaykin Stevens Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 Apart from his work with Klaus Janson, I disliked most of Sal's stuff from 1976 onwards that he didn't ink himself. There were a few exceptions, though, such as Steve Leialoha on Marvel Team-Up #82-85, Ian Akin and Brian Garvey on Rom #36-50 and Bill Sienkiewicz on Rom #53. tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaykin Stevens Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/17/2022 at 2:05 PM, Drummy said: Great Atlas story by Sal above -- just noticed that the machine at the end tells Master X that it's "March 6, 2022" and he should get up...wish I had such luxuries in 2022... The Atlas story was by Vince the Prince not Our Pal Sal. tth2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkininkin Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 (edited) On 4/17/2022 at 8:26 PM, tth2 said: No, I hated Janson's inks on Sal. They were so stylistically different that it was like trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. Fair enough. I've said all along that Klaus was inking in a very dominating style, which for me meant taking an artist that did inherently uninteresting work (Sal) and made it interesting (Sal and Klaus). To me. It didn't matter that it wasn't a good "fit" stylistically or not (round peg/square hole), because I wasn't going to give the more "pure" Sal much of a look unless someone like Klaus gave it a jump start. Edited April 18, 2022 by stinkininkin Rick2you2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Pontoon Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 9:42 AM, tth2 said: Janson inking Sal was like Robert Fripp playing guitar on a Ramones album. I dunno, I think it would work... drdroom and Chaykin Stevens 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Pontoon Posted April 18, 2022 Share Posted April 18, 2022 On 4/18/2022 at 11:11 AM, Chaykin Stevens said: On 4/18/2022 at 9:42 AM, tth2 said: There are some penciler-inker combos that work, and some that would be terrible. Janson, and before him Tom Palmer, worked well for artists who had a heavier, darker style. Gene Colan and Palmer, for example. They complemented each other. Janson would've been terrible on someone like Byrne or Jim Lee. Janson inking Sal was like Robert Fripp playing guitar on a Ramones album. "Fine line" inkers like Colletta did not work on an artist like Kirby, which most people agree to be the case. I don't know if John Severin ever inked Kirby, but I think it would've been a complete disaster if he had, even though I generally like Severin's inks and love his pencils. Severin inked Kirby in Yellow Claw #4 and did finished art over Kirby layouts on Nick Fury in Strange Tales #136-138, which I liked fine. I wasn't crazy about Byrne/Janson on Avengers #182 & 183 or Wolverine #17-23, but didn't mind the Lee/Janson combo on Punisher War Journal #11. I LOVE Severin on Kirby in that issue of Yellow Claw. Severin's style is all over it but it works wonderfully. It's a bit like Ditko over Kirby, two strong styles but working together. tth2, Chaykin Stevens and Twanj 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman_fan Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 I love Sal, especially if Tom Palmer does the inks.Left Subby is Sal, Right is Ross A. Unca Ben, zhamlau and JadeGiant 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 12:49 AM, stinkininkin said: Fair enough. I've said all along that Klaus was inking in a very dominating style, which for me meant taking an artist that did inherently uninteresting work (Sal) and made it interesting (Sal and Klaus). To me. It didn't matter that it wasn't a good "fit" stylistically or not (round peg/square hole), because I wasn't going to give the more "pure" Sal much of a look unless someone like Klaus gave it a jump start. Fair enough, but the Defenders was a plain vanilla superhero team comic book. Janson's dark, dominating inks didn't fit their storylines. In terms of characters, in my mind he worked best for characters who operated primarily at night with darker, heavier storylines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tth2 Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 1:33 AM, Pontoon said: I LOVE Severin on Kirby in that issue of Yellow Claw. Severin's style is all over it but it works wonderfully. It's a bit like Ditko over Kirby, two strong styles but working together. That's the thing. It looks like Severin, and I love Severin, but what's the point of having Kirby doing the pencils if it's not going to look like Kirby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
