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[Stronguy]

On 4/21/2022 at 8:02 AM, Stefan_W said:

In order for this mistake to happen the person submitting it must have put in incorrect info in the submission form.

100% incorrect.  There a many, many documented instances where people have submitted books under the right title/issue/print/variant and CGC has just screwed it up.  Heck, I've had to send the same book back multiple times to get them to get it right.

On 4/21/2022 at 8:02 AM, Stefan_W said:

I am sure CGC is taking a lot of heat for missing this one

And they should.  It has been a problem for DECADES (ref. the 3rd print TMNT 1 9.8 that was labeled and sold as a 9.8 1st print.)

[F For Fake]

Wow, that's nuts. I guess I understand the thinking behind the facsimile editions silver and bronze books, as they're not easy/cheap to get in ultra high grade, and I'd also expect the paper quality/type to be vastly different from the original. So, the price being $3.99, the different weight/gloss of the book, it should be immediately easy to tell the difference in an original and the facsimile. 

But UF 4, that's such a new book, it's likely identical in its construction. I haven't been in the market for this book, but if I was, I likely wouldn't have known that the facsimile even existed. This book is just asking for trouble, and it's not surprising that people are already taking advantage of it.

[JJ-4]

On 4/21/2022 at 8:24 AM, F For Fake said:

Wow, that's nuts. I guess I understand the thinking behind the facsimile editions silver and bronze books, as they're not easy/cheap to get in ultra high grade, and I'd also expect the paper quality/type to be vastly different from the original. So, the price being $3.99, the different weight/gloss of the book, it should be immediately easy to tell the difference in an original and the facsimile. 

But UF 4, that's such a new book, it's likely identical in its construction. I haven't been in the market for this book, but if I was, I likely wouldn't have known that the facsimile even existed. This book is just asking for trouble, and it's not surprising that people are already taking advantage of it.

Which is why CGC should catch these submissions 100% of the time.  They are the experts and are providing the service of grading and authenticating, if they can't do that, the service is worthless.

[Rob]

On 4/21/2022 at 8:10 AM, wombat said:

To be perfectly honest I don't care at all about the submitter. I care about CGC's process and how people are supposed to have confidence in what they do. If they can't figure out they are grading a reprint and not an original comic no matter what the form says that is extremely concerning. 

Absolutely right!  There are scammers out there trying to sell fake, reproductions, counterfeit comics, coins, etc to suckers.  When I buy a professionally graded collectible, I am paying more for the piece of mind that authenticity has been validated by experts.  When that starts breaking down, that really hurts the credibility of the service.

[ExNihilo]

On 4/21/2022 at 7:12 AM, gregwynn said:

Marvel needs to make these facsimile editions easier to tell apart as well.....especially the newer one like UF4 and EOSV2

They really just need to have a box near the bar code that indicates "Variant Edition", "Second Print", "Facsimile Edition", etc.

I can't find a hi-res copy, but you can see the bottom right says "Second Printing".

And of course, the current variants all say "Variant Edition" in the box.

[Galen130]

On 4/21/2022 at 10:55 AM, ExNihilo said:

They really just need to have a box near the bar code that indicates "Variant Edition", "Second Print", "Facsimile Edition", etc.

I can't find a hi-res copy, but you can see the bottom right says "Second Printing".

And of course, the current variants all say "Variant Edition" in the box.

That's why I think the submitter should be in the conversation.  There are those that will try and take advantage of CGCs buffonery and pass this off as the real deal.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Or might be the truth. 

[ExNihilo]

On 4/21/2022 at 10:06 AM, Galen130 said:

That's why I think the submitter should be in the conversation.  There are those that will try and take advantage of CGCs buffonery and pass this off as the real deal.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Or might be the truth. 

As previously stated elsewhere, the problem is the UF4 facsimile is hard to tell apart for casual collectors.  So either a new collector thought they had come across something special and labeled their submission as 1st print not knowing any better, or a scammer knew exactly what they were doing and were trying to pull a fast one.  Either way, it's CGC's job to separate fact from fiction.

[Cat]

Unfortunately, we can't expect consumers to be honest when sending their books in. At times they might not even know themselves. They're trusting the experts, or testing the experts. Either way it's CGC's job to deftly identify which is which and label it as such. Anything else is negligence, and a black eye on their credibility. 

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:06 PM, Galen130 said:

That's why I think the submitter should be in the conversation.  There are those that will try and take advantage of CGCs buffonery and pass this off as the real deal.

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

Or might be the truth. 

Sherlock holmes used to hone skills with the drugs, I'm sure our Cool Ranch Dorritos are doing the trick!  

[ExNihilo]

On 4/21/2022 at 10:20 AM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I'm sure our Cool Ranch Dorritos are doing the trick!

Explains the fingerprints appearing on books.  

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:19 PM, Cat said:

Unfortunately, we can't expect consumers to be honest when sending their books in. At times they might not even know themselves. They're trusting the experts, or testing the experts. Either way it's CGC's job to deftly identify which is which and label it as such. Anything else is negligence, and a black eye on their credibility. 

TBH I just filled out forms today, and struggled. Yes they have a "search function" but my issue with a "mark jewelers" wasn't an "option" and after selecting the comic there was no where to write it.

Anyhoo, I refilled it out, and clicked the "can't find my comic" link on the form to add: the issue with the Mark Jeweler note in the "variant slot"....

UF4 shouldn't be "that complicated" but given the issue, the hired authority to slab books should gain knowledge enough when receiving books, that it shouldn't get so far in the process, sometimes, for it to be a Grader issue idk food for thought

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:22 PM, ExNihilo said:

On 4/21/2022 at 12:20 PM, ADAMANTIUM said:

I'm sure our Cool Ranch Dorritos are doing the trick!

Explains the fingerprints appearing on books.  

There are a lot of books named Sherlock Holmes, none named "grader Steve"  

Bring on the the Dorrito's! 

[Bluemedgroup]

On 4/21/2022 at 10:02 AM, onlyweaknesskryptonite said:

Shared this one before, but with the reprints getting the label of the original this deserves a repost. 

WTF How the hell did this pass?  At least 3 graders would have to seen this book.  And it's not everyday you get a Superman #1 come thru (71 Universal grades on the census and 0 Signature) , surely they would have said "hey boss come take a look at this".  

[Domo Arigato]

As always, a buyer should be careful......but it makes you wonder how many raw copies of these poorly marked UF #4 reprint books have been passed off to buyers as the original.

Marvel itself is the first line of defense to prevent this kind of thing from happening......and they're doing a s**t job as well.

 

Edited April 21, 2022 by Domo Arigato

[sckao]

Is that a grader issue or a labeling issue? It's a Superman Masterpiece Edition #1 copy I think... but Sig Series projects especially with non-comic signers may be its own special queue.
 

EDIT:
Clearly a labeling issue:

Edited April 21, 2022 by sckao

[Sigur Ros]

On 4/21/2022 at 1:36 PM, Domo Arigato said:

As always, a buyer should be careful......but it makes you wonder how many raw copies of these poorly marked UF #4 reprint books have been passed off to buyers as the original.

Marvel itself is the first line of defense to prevent this kind of thing from happening......and they're doing a s**t job as well.

 

When they first came out they were selling for $400-500 on eBay.  Me, and others I know, reported to ebay and they eventually got pulled.  Not sure how many buyers are even aware of what they bought to this day though.

one of many...

 

 

Can't wait to see what 9.8 AF15s sell for when that one comes out...

Edited April 21, 2022 by Sigur Ros

[Axe Elf]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:06 PM, Galen130 said:

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

What insufficiently_thoughtful_person said that?

That would mean that everything possible is true, which is obvious nonsense.

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 4/21/2022 at 1:04 PM, Axe Elf said:

What insufficiently_thoughtful_person said that?

That would mean that everything possible is true, which is obvious nonsense.

It was Sherlock Holmes silly 😜

[Galen130]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:04 PM, Axe Elf said:

What insufficiently_thoughtful_person said that?

That would mean that everything possible is true, which is obvious nonsense.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.  Read a book!!! 

Spoiler

 

[Randall Dowling]

On 4/21/2022 at 12:26 PM, Bluemedgroup said:

WTF How the hell did this pass?  At least 3 graders would have to seen this book.  And it's not everyday you get a Superman #1 come thru (71 Universal grades on the census and 0 Signature) , surely they would have said "hey boss come take a look at this".  

I don't think that's how it works anymore.  

Edited April 21, 2022 by Randall Dowling
LOL!