siro123 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Appears in 11 panels says nothing. First Appearance ? or Cameo ? Also Appears in 10 panels and says help me in one panel. First appearance or Cameo ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/24/2022 at 11:15 PM, siro123 said: Appears in 11 panels says nothing. First Appearance ? or Cameo ? Also Appears in 10 panels and says help me in one panel. First appearance or Cameo ? Not enough context. Could be either first brief appearance or first full appearance. But definitely not cameo. siro123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 A cameo is when a well-known character appears briefly, such as if Professor X was on Page 30 of The New New Warriors. Must a first appearance include verbal interaction? No. siro123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Gemini Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/24/2022 at 11:15 PM, siro123 said: Appears in 11 panels says nothing. First Appearance ? or Cameo ? Also Appears in 10 panels and says help me in one panel. First appearance or Cameo ? I wouldn't say cameo, but first appearance determinations have been known to be fuzzy. Sometimes, the market ultimately decides. siro123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thunsicker Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 I'm one of those crazy people who believes that when a character first appears it's his first appearance. That doesn't mean it will be his most valuable appearance, or the one that people want most, but it does mean it's his first appearance. FrontStands, theCapraAegagrus, MR SigS and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Can you give us the character's name, please, so we can have a look ourselves, and see what we think? At least that way we can give an informed opinion. Artboy99 and eastriver400 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jjaneaux Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 8:33 AM, thunsicker said: I'm one of those crazy people who believes that when a character first appears it's his first appearance. That doesn't mean it will be his most valuable appearance, or the one that people want most, but it does mean it's his first appearance. An appearance is a binary event - it happens, or it does not. This distinction between cameo and first full appearance is pedantic. sevans1979, Heavyheavyheavy, thunsicker and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stock_rotation Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 8:53 AM, theCapraAegagrus said: A cameo is when a well-known character appears briefly, such as if Professor X was on Page 30 of The New New Warriors. Word up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 10:05 AM, jjaneaux said: An appearance is a binary event - it happens, or it does not. This distinction between cameo and first full appearance is pedantic. Doomsday - yes or no MetalPSI and Namtak 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjaneaux Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 10:22 AM, valiantman said: Doomsday - yes or no Technically, yes. Splashy full-page panel with him declaring, "I am Doomsday!" that people like, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 10:26 AM, jjaneaux said: On 4/25/2022 at 10:22 AM, valiantman said: Doomsday - yes or no Expand Technically, yes. Splashy full-page panel with him declaring, "I am Doomsday!" that people like, no. That's the ongoing debate. It's not as binary as you declared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upgrayedd2 Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 3:08 AM, Lord Gemini said: I wouldn't say cameo, but first appearance determinations have been known to be fuzzy. Sometimes, the market ultimately decides. Or the individual printing the price guide... Lord Gemini 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunsicker Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 10:22 AM, valiantman said: Doomsday - yes or no Whose fist is it? Doomsday's? Did he appear anywhere else before this? No? Then this is Doomsday's first appearance. Maybe not the most collectible Doomsday comic. Maybe not the most valuable Doomsday comic. Maybe not a full body appearance of Doomsday. But this would be Doomsday's first appearance. Arkham and MetalPSI 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazbot Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 I'm still trying to figure out how FF 67 is a Warlock cameo and not a full blown first appearance. Makes zero sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 10:47 AM, thunsicker said: On 4/25/2022 at 10:22 AM, valiantman said: Doomsday - yes or no Expand Whose fist is it? Doomsday's? Did he appear anywhere else before this? No? Then this is Doomsday's first appearance. Maybe not the most collectible Doomsday comic. Maybe not the most valuable Doomsday comic. Maybe not a full body appearance of Doomsday. But this would be Doomsday's first appearance. What if his fist was in an advertisement earlier than this page? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunsicker Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 11:01 AM, valiantman said: On 4/25/2022 at 10:47 AM, thunsicker said: On 4/25/2022 at 10:22 AM, valiantman said: Doomsday - yes or no Expand Whose fist is it? Doomsday's? Did he appear anywhere else before this? No? Then this is Doomsday's first appearance. Maybe not the most collectible Doomsday comic. Maybe not the most valuable Doomsday comic. Maybe not a full body appearance of Doomsday. But this would be Doomsday's first appearance. Expand What if his fist was in an advertisement earlier than this page? Was it Doomsday? Did he appear anywhere in comics before the advertisement? If it was Doomsday and it was the first place he appeared it would be his first appearance. Would it be his most important appearance? No. Would it be his most valuable appearance? No. Would it be his first appearance? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunsicker Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 Now if you really wanted to get me going it would be in an X-Men 201 type situation. In retcon I would never consider it a first appearance. For that matter I don't think Tales To Astonish 27 is Ant-Man's first appearance. Hank Pym's, yes. But not Ant-Man's. AGGIEZ, FrontStands and Bo1983 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 11:05 AM, thunsicker said: Was it Doomsday? Did he appear anywhere in comics before the advertisement? If it was Doomsday and it was the first place he appeared it would be his first appearance. Would it be his most important appearance? No. Would it be his most valuable appearance? No. Would it be his first appearance? Yes. More Fun Comics #31 shows Superman in May 1938, clearly picturing him on the yet-to-be-released cover of Action Comics #1 for June 1938. You've made it clear that it doesn't have to be the most valuable to be the first appearance, so you are saying that More Fun Comics #31 is the first appearance of Superman, correct? thunsicker, Juno Beach and KCOComics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thunsicker Posted April 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2022 (edited) On 4/25/2022 at 11:17 AM, valiantman said: More Fun Comics #31 shows Superman in May 1938, clearly picturing him on the yet-to-be-released cover of Action Comics #1 for June 1938. You've made it clear that it doesn't have to be the most valuable to be the first appearance, so you are saying that More Fun Comics #31 is the first appearance of Superman, correct? That is correct. From my understanding Superman first appears in an advertisement in More Fun Comics #31. It's not his first "in continuity" appearance. It's not his first "full" appearance. It's not his most valuable appearance. It's not his most sought after appearance. But it is his first appearance in comics. Edited April 25, 2022 by thunsicker Juno Beach, Heavyheavyheavy, JTLarsen and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valiantman Posted April 25, 2022 Share Posted April 25, 2022 On 4/25/2022 at 12:01 PM, thunsicker said: That is correct. From my understanding Superman first appears in an advertisement in More Fun Comics #31. It's not his first "in continuity" appearance. It's not his first "full" appearance. It's not his most valuable appearance. It's not his most sought after appearance. But it is his first appearance in comics. You'll have some trouble convincing... uh... pretty much everyone... to agree with you. KCOComics 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
