gadzukes Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I had a thought about submitting this Millie comic. When I looked inside I found one of the nicest "colored in" pages I've ever seen (a future comic colorist definitely). Does a colored in page automatically take this down to a 2.0 Blue, or would it get a Green label? Yorick and Get Marwood & I 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 On 5/9/2022 at 8:21 AM, gadzukes said: Does a colored in page automatically take this down to a 2.0 Blue, or would it get a Green label? Neither. In your book's condition (which I estimate to be no higher than about 5.0 VG/FN), crayon markings on a Coloring Page should have no effect (although it definitely should be disclosed if/when the book is listed for sale). Cut-outs from a Fashion Page (aka a Paper Doll Page) would be a different and much more serious matter, though. FFB, silverseeker, The Lions Den and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 (edited) On 5/9/2022 at 11:36 AM, zzutak said: Neither. In your book's condition (which I estimate to be no higher than about 5.0 VG/FN), crayon markings on a Coloring Page should have no effect (although it definitely should be disclosed if/when the book is listed for sale). Cut-outs from a Fashion Page (aka a Paper Doll Page) would be a different and much more serious matter, though. Thanks Yes I was thinking 4.0 - 5.0. Now if it was high grade, say a 9.0, it would certainly be marked down.... is that correct? Also.... what if it was a "messy" coloring? Edited May 9, 2022 by gadzukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 It does look pretty neat. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/9/2022 at 8:36 AM, zzutak said: Neither. In your book's condition (which I estimate to be no higher than about 5.0 VG/FN), crayon markings on a Coloring Page should have no effect (although it definitely should be disclosed if/when the book is listed for sale). Cut-outs from a Fashion Page (aka a Paper Doll Page) would be a different and much more serious matter, though. coloring a book has no effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) On 5/11/2022 at 7:01 PM, kav said: coloring a book has no effect? If it were on the cover it'd be taken more seriously, but on an interior page it's usually not a big deal as long as it doesn't affect any of the other artwork or stories. Edited May 11, 2022 by The Lions Den grendelbo, Topnotchman and Beyonder123 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 4:19 PM, The Lions Den said: If it were on the cover it'd be taken more seriously, but on an interior page it's usually not a big deal as long as it doesn't affect any of the other artwork or stories. I'd think the effect on a 5.0 would be pretty minimal... this is blowing my mind right now. Beyonder123 and djzombi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 7:21 PM, kav said: this is blowing my mind right now. I hope that's a good thing... kav 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 4:22 PM, The Lions Den said: I hope that's a good thing... sure it means I learned something incredible-always good. Well almost always- The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 7:23 PM, kav said: sure it means I learned something incredible-always good. Well almost always- Well, part of the reason I'd justify it is precisely because it's a coloring page and it was done in a fairly careful manner. From what I can tell, it's not like it's obscuring anything else. But from what I can see on the front cover, I personally wouldn't want to venture higher than a 5.0 for this particular book... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 4:33 PM, The Lions Den said: Well, part of the reason I'd justify it is precisely because it's a coloring page and it was done in a fairly careful manner. From what I can tell, it's not like it's obscuring anything else. But from what I can see on the front cover, I personally wouldn't want to venture higher than a 5.0 for this particular book... are you saying if it was badly colored by a toddler it would affect grade? Because that raises some strange questions. djzombi, The Lions Den and Beyonder123 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Elf Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 Kind of like names or date stamps on the cover; if they are unobtrusive and neat, they probly won't affect the grade much except at very high levels. If they are big, wide marker strokes across the main characters faces, then they will take more of a hit. So yeah, I would expect careless scribbling to be dinged more than neat coloring. But as Lion's Den said, the grade for this particular book is probably capped more by its condition than the coloring within. Turnando, The Lions Den and grendelbo 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 7:34 PM, kav said: are you saying if it was badly colored by a toddler it would affect grade? Because that raises some strange questions. I'd say that could be a factor, as well as what medium was used. For example, if it'd been colored in marker that went through the coloring page and into some of the other pages, I'd most likely be seeing it a little differently. This is also the kind of flaw where a second and even a third opinion is a good idea... kav and gadzukes 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topnotchman Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 (edited) Interior page grading, if someone is tearing pieces out, cutting pieces out, that would make a book incomplete. Writing someones name, signing on page one, coloring on a pin up page,on a book below fine, it has minimal effect on grade as long as its disclosed. Scribbling on the front cover is bad, scribbling and making smily faces or defacing characters on interior pages is bad. Neatly coloring a pin up page, not that big of deal if its below fine and disclosed information. Edited May 12, 2022 by Topnotchman Spelling again gadzukes, kav, The Lions Den and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadzukes Posted May 11, 2022 Author Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm going to imagine Dan Decarlo colored it, and leave it at that. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kav Posted May 11, 2022 Share Posted May 11, 2022 I'm coloring all my books immediately! gadzukes, THE_BEYONDER and The Lions Den 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 7:50 PM, Topnotchman said: Interior page grading, if someone is tearing pieces out, cutting pieces out, that would make a book incomplete. Writing someones name, singing on page one, coloring on a pin up page,on a book below fine, it has minimal effect on grade as long as its disclosed. Scribbling on the front cover bad, scribbling and making smily faces or defacing characters on interior pages bad. Neatly coloring a pin up page, not that big of deal if its below fine and disclosed information. I would agree. Topnotchman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comicginger1789 Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) Should an experiment be performed here? Most of these Millies have such pages, yes? It would be intriguing to see what a nice coloured page vs a not nice coloured page vs an "old" coloured page (assuming CGC would care if it appeared to have been coloured a long time ago or recently) would grade. Personally I am in the camp of 5.0 for this book....there are some that I feel are much lower. But a messy coloured page I would personally drop to a 4.0 Edited May 16, 2022 by comicginger1789 The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmat Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 (edited) I would give it an extra grade just because it is so nicely done Edited May 16, 2022 by marmat Randall Dowling, Sillydiabetic and The Lions Den 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE_BEYONDER Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I say CGC doesn’t even notice it right now.... joeypost, The Lions Den, silverseeker and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
