Nominating Tghutcn to the HOS or PL 7 7

[seanfingh]

I feel the same way about this that I felt about the Junk Donkeys trying to police the PIF and whatever it morphed into over the years.

So definitely not the PL. The PL is pretty clear that it is for people that violate the terms of an agreement to buy/sell/trade. That's not what what failing to send a Christmas Present is.

HoS is probably the way to go, it has a broad enough charter to cover this type of bad acting.

I hope nothing bad happened to the guy that made him flake out.

[F For Fake]

HoS, with the hope that at some point there is some explanation which would lead to his removal from said list. But in the meantime, it looks and smells like a scam, so onto the list he goes.

[Red84]

On 6/2/2022 at 11:05 PM, Red84 said:

I voted HOS. I view this conduct in a gift exchange to be an aggravating factor. Same with him being a two time offender. 

@RockMyAmadeusFeel free to enlighten us as to what you find "confusing" about my post. 

[jsilverjanet]

Looking at the list of HOS this reminds me of the bit in the kids tv show

one of these isn't the same

I say no to HOS

yes to PL

 

[Hudson]

@Buzzetta

Thank you for taking the time to write this up and attempting to keep the boards "safe".

[JollyComics]

What a bizarre case here.

[Namtak]

Hof until he explain himself,try (if posiible succeed)to make amends to implicated members then we should  vote again! My !

[707comics]

What has been done in the past with folks that don't follow through with the gift sending? I am guessing it can't be the first time?

[crassus]

I'm leaning towards neither. If it didn't involve a gift exchange and it was a normal sales transaction, it would be classic PL. I agree with the opinion that the PL is reserved for commercial transactions. So all that's left is HoS, but I don't think on the face of it the offense rises to that level. One thing that can help is to browse back through the stories of the people currently on the HoS, and do a compare and contrast. Whatever this current Boardie's story is exactly we don't know, as he's just disappeared, but its so far nothing really like those currently on the list. Some have mentioned Chip, but this is not a good comparison, respectfully, the current nominee would have to work systematically at this on multiple venues for a decade or more to even merit consideration, by comparison its almost like the HoS should be "honoured" that Chip is a member. This is like rookie vs. Brady. Its true that not all current HoS members necessarily rise to the same levels, but it includes those who were found, and in some cases admitted, to systematic schemes to forge collectibles, defraud the collecting community with fakes, and even those whose levels of offense were debated at the time, I think of solarcadet and Red Rocks, they sealed their fates by rubbing the community's faces in their shameful behaviour, and in a sense got what they asked for. None of these apply to this current case. 

[Paul © ® ⚽️💙™]

FWIW my gut feeling is that something bad may have happened to the guy or his family. But we are not mind readers so we can only deal with what we have, which is a no show.

Whilst reneging on a goodwill event is distasteful at best, it doesn't fulfil commercial criteria for either list for me.

Basically I'm in agreement with crassus. 

If he does get put in the HOS, so be it, majority rules. He can always be taken out again if he shows up and makes things right and provides a decent believable excuse.

[DavidTheDavid]

On 6/4/2022 at 10:12 AM, crassus said:

I'm leaning towards neither. If it didn't involve a gift exchange and it was a normal sales transaction, it would be classic PL. I agree with the opinion that the PL is reserved for commercial transactions. So all that's left is HoS, but I don't think on the face of it the offense rises to that level. One thing that can help is to browse back through the stories of the people currently on the HoS, and do a compare and contrast. Whatever this current Boardie's story is exactly we don't know, as he's just disappeared, but its so far nothing really like those currently on the list. Some have mentioned Chip, but this is not a good comparison, respectfully, the current nominee would have to work systematically at this on multiple venues for a decade or more to even merit consideration, by comparison its almost like the HoS should be "honoured" that Chip is a member. This is like rookie vs. Brady. Its true that not all current HoS members necessarily rise to the same levels, but it includes those who were found, and in some cases admitted, to systematic schemes to forge collectibles, defraud the collecting community with fakes, and even those whose levels of offense were debated at the time, I think of solarcadet and Red Rocks, they sealed their fates by rubbing the community's faces in their shameful behaviour, and in a sense got what they asked for. None of these apply to this current case. 

I agree with this. I think it speaks poorly of us to nominate someone for the HoS over a gift thread. The only thing we seem to know is that he vanished from the boards. There's no clear evidence of intent or malfeasance. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to participate in a holiday thread where a possible outcome is being permanently impugned on a Hall of Shame. This in itself feels shameful to me.

[Red84]

On 6/4/2022 at 10:47 AM, DavidTheDavid said:

I agree with this. I think it speaks poorly of us to nominate someone for the HoS over a gift thread. The only thing we seem to know is that he vanished from the boards. There's no clear evidence of intent or malfeasance. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to participate in a holiday thread where a possible outcome is being permanently impugned on a Hall of Shame. This in itself feels shameful to me.

I think the evidence of intent is that he did it twice. 

[thehumantorch]

On 6/3/2022 at 2:48 PM, JEFFROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO said:

Why don't you drop dead

Guys, do we really need these arguments in every thread?

[crassus]

On 6/4/2022 at 12:43 PM, Red84 said:

On 6/4/2022 at 11:47 AM, DavidTheDavid said:

I agree with this. I think it speaks poorly of us to nominate someone for the HoS over a gift thread. The only thing we seem to know is that he vanished from the boards. There's no clear evidence of intent or malfeasance. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to participate in a holiday thread where a possible outcome is being permanently impugned on a Hall of Shame. This in itself feels shameful to me.

I think the evidence of intent is that he did it twice. 

When you say did it twice, do you mean currently at the same time to two different members in the gift exchange, or that he has done this previously or in another instance in addition to the gift exchange?

[Red84]

On 6/4/2022 at 12:04 PM, crassus said:

When you say did it twice, do you mean currently at the same time to two different members in the gift exchange, or that he has done this previously or in another instance in addition to the gift exchange?

My understanding is that he failed to send out the raffle gift and failed to send out the gift exchange gift. 

[thehumantorch]

On 6/4/2022 at 11:29 AM, Red84 said:

My understanding is that he failed to send out the raffle gift and failed to send out the gift exchange gift. 

Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought someone said he failed to send out a gift for two consecutive Christmas'

[wombat]

I believe he also received 2 gifts in the raffle. To me that is what makes it so bad. Claim 2 gifts and receive them and not send out the gift you were supposed to. 

Edited June 4, 2022 by wombat

[Domo Arigato]

On 6/4/2022 at 10:41 AM, GG © ® ™---Paul said:

FWIW my gut feeling is that something bad may have happened to the guy or his family.

I had considered this as well.....but there is one fact that's not sitting well with me regarding this theory.

If you check his posting history here........you'll notice that he was pretty much posting every day......and then he suddenly stopped posting on January 19th, as if something might have happened.

However, he then came back and logged in on February 4th......more than two weeks later......but didn't post.

If something major happened.....why even bother coming back here to log in?

 

[Red84]

I would be more inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt except for the fact that he did not send his part of the holiday gift exchange. Those gifts are supposed to be received by Christmas. He was still posting on January 19th. 4 weeks late on his gift. I too hope nothing bad happened to him. Hopefully he is just a flake and therefore HOS worthy.

[Dr. Balls]

On 6/3/2022 at 11:46 AM, kav said:

the more complicated the story.....the less I trust it.

Boy, that is the truth.