scburdet Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I just got this back from the Claremont signing (https://www.cgccomics.com/certlookup/4030430001/). I sent it in knowing about (and not caring) the color touch. I bought it knowing the raw book was restored. What's not in the grader notes or label is any mention of an internal clipping. I know it's there b/c when I bought it, I got a partial refund b/c the seller disclosed the restoration, but didn't notice the clipping. This is one of the "does not affect story" clippings. It was some coupon or mail-in something. It does not look like CGC has a combined SS/R/Q label, but I'm surprised it's not mentioned on the label or grader notes. Is this unusual? Did the graders forget to add that note, or is the R label considered a significant enough defect that the the Q wouldn't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I would expect that something missing from inside a comic that has now been sealed is a big deal, and should be mentioned somewhere - notes or label. How can someone, at a future time, arrive at a value for a collectible if you don't know the whole story? You shouldn't be able to bury the truth. scburdet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scburdet Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 4:46 PM, Lightning55 said: I would expect that something missing from inside a comic that has now been sealed is a big deal, and should be mentioned somewhere - notes or label. How can someone, at a future time, arrive at a value for a collectible if you don't know the whole story? You shouldn't be able to bury the truth. Kind of what I was thinking. If I ever sell, the future buyer will have to be content that I am an honest man and will mention the clipping. JollyComics and Cliff R. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning55 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 You could conclude that they just missed the clipped item. But isn't that part of the page check, like the very first step??? If you're checking pages, counting pages, it would be hard to miss that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scburdet Posted June 21, 2022 Author Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:06 PM, Lightning55 said: You could conclude that they just missed the clipped item. But isn't that part of the page check, like the very first step??? If you're checking pages, counting pages, it would be hard to miss that. One would think, but I've been around long enough to realize that a lot of people aren't that good at their jobs Lightning55, jcjames and kazoo 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokiing Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 2:06 PM, Lightning55 said: You could conclude that they just missed the clipped item. But isn't that part of the page check, like the very first step??? If you're checking pages, counting pages, it would be hard to miss that. Yes, first step to adding those finger bends.... grendelbo and Readcomix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 A book with a clipped coupon should grade waaaaay lower than 6.5, even if it was flawless in all other respects. I think the two independent graders ( ) must have each overlooked the missing piece. D-oh! The Lions Den and grendelbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 2:46 PM, zzutak said: A book with a clipped coupon should grade waaaaay lower than 6.5, even if it was flawless in all other respects. I think the two independent graders ( ) must have each overlooked the missing piece. D-oh! Not if it is getting a Qualified label. It certainly should be notated on the label The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 CGC!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzutak Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 1:33 PM, scburdet said: It does not look like CGC has a combined SS/R/Q label This is correct. CGC does not have a "3-way" SS/R/Q label. All CGC graders should know this, so any single defect that might be "overlooked" by awarding the book a Qualified Grade must (must!) be accounted for. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedcake Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 6:08 PM, JollyComics said: CGC!!!! Check your PM’s please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazyboy Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I suppose this is the brilliant new policy hard at work. The Lions Den 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:21 PM, speedcake said: Check your PM’s please Checked. speedcake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lions Den Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 5:06 PM, Lightning55 said: You could conclude that they just missed the clipped item. But isn't that part of the page check, like the very first step??? If you're checking pages, counting pages, it would be hard to miss that. grendelbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff R. Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 Yet another reason to refrain from cracking open a slab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D84 Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 (edited) On 6/21/2022 at 6:31 PM, Cliff R. said: Yet another reason to refrain from cracking open a slab. Or buying slabs. Edited June 21, 2022 by D84 Fixed grammar Cliff R. and grendelbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JollyComics Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 4:46 PM, zzutak said: A book with a clipped coupon should grade waaaaay lower than 6.5, even if it was flawless in all other respects. I think the two independent graders ( ) must have each overlooked the missing piece. D-oh! I am aware of the graders are checking/counting pages. Are the graders checking for the restorations too? I watched Matt Nelson's video about how to grade the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadroch Posted June 21, 2022 Share Posted June 21, 2022 I sell slabs of plastic with fancy labels. Now you want me to be responsible for what lays encased within? grendelbo and The Lions Den 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sauce Dog Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 On 6/21/2022 at 7:58 PM, JollyComics said: I am aware of the graders are checking/counting pages. Are the graders checking for the restorations too? I watched Matt Nelson's video about how to grade the books. You would think that - but I got back a pretty big key recently which I had work done on to address a few glaring issues and CGC missed ALL THE WORK and gave it a Universal label. It's also not like I was trying to pull a fast one - it was submitted with other books that got work done, coming directly from the professional who also disclosed all the work on paper with the submission (It now sits in my PC with a sticky note on the slab, and if it ever has to be sold I'll crack it and list it raw - as I will always disclose all work done but cannot trust any buyer not to screw somebody else with it after it leaves my hands) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theCapraAegagrus Posted June 22, 2022 Share Posted June 22, 2022 Does this have anything to do with their new policy on label notes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
