ASM 238 tatooz 2 2

[ADAMANTIUM]

On 7/23/2022 at 10:54 AM, MAR1979 said:

On 7/23/2022 at 10:50 AM, ADAMANTIUM said:

no, no, CGC has caught that before, it doesn't work, and or, would not be something to promote  

I know of at least 2 copies personally where they have not spotted it.  But yeah I do agree if the tattooz was originally removed haphazardly.  Seem to me risk worth the reward especially on a 9.8.

it's why I don't own multiple copies either. I was satisfied with a raw for $30 that I sent in that came back only 7.0, but that said:

I looked with a flashlight and didn't see it in my copy, but didn't really know what I was looking for in size as a noob. I eventually saw that it had it, but when graded they originally had it as qualified green, to which I called and they checked again and it came back 7.0 universal.

it's just too much for my tastes to deal with idk  

[THE_BEYONDER]

[BigLeagueCHEW]

On 7/23/2022 at 11:10 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

So Dazzling, thanks for sharing this

[BigLeagueCHEW]

On 7/23/2022 at 8:37 AM, MAR1979 said:

Yep, grab a 9.6 or 9.8 crack it out then insert a tatooz from a FF252 (or some copies of; Marvel Tales 149, GI Joe 9) then resubmit.  It's farcical!   What i want know is why a 238 submitter bothers to send it to CGC without adding another tatooz first? Carelessness in not seeing it was missing? Laziness? Lack of Knowledge??

I think we discussed this in the other ASM 238 thread. A professional restoration expert tried to insert the tattooz and CGC still caught it. Very hard to attempt and not worth the time.

[MAR1979]

On 7/24/2022 at 3:51 PM, BigLeagueCHEW said:

I think we discussed this in the other ASM 238 thread. A professional restoration expert tried to insert the tattooz and CGC still caught it. Very hard to attempt and not worth the time.

I will attempt to find out more about the 2 I was shown - perhaps just an anti-cgc "tall-tale" by the individual?

Edited July 24, 2022 by MAR1979

[BigLeagueCHEW]

On 7/24/2022 at 1:18 PM, MAR1979 said:

I will attempt to find out more about the 2 I was shown - perhaps just an anti-cgc "tall-tale" by the individual?

I found the thread on inserting the tattooz:

 

[divad]

On 7/21/2022 at 10:25 AM, lostboys said:

When the tats are removed, is there a stub left behind?

No.

[divad]

On 7/21/2022 at 4:28 PM, Lazyboy said:

The Tattooz can be removed without much damage to the insert, the insert could just be completely removed, or anything between those extremes could happen.

This is the reality depending on the book and the person doing the work.

[divad]

On 7/23/2022 at 8:43 AM, lostboys said:

It can't be that simple...can it?

I'd think, by now, flippers would have run this scam into the ground.

Yes.

They have.

[divad]

On 7/23/2022 at 11:10 AM, THE_BEYONDER said:

This not a great example. The tatooz insert in the ASM 238 and the FF252 are (jn my copies were) not bound in by the staple.

Edited July 25, 2022 by divad
Greater minds at work :)

[Randall Dowling]

On 7/24/2022 at 4:17 PM, divad said:

No.

To clarify, the envelope containing the tattoos usually remains.  The majority of cases I've seen still have the envelope but with no tattoos inside.

[divad]

On 7/24/2022 at 2:28 PM, Randall Dowling said:

To clarify, the envelope containing the tattoos usually remains.  The majority of cases I've seen still have the envelope but with no tattoos inside.

That's correct, as Lazyboy points out every production variable you can think may happen, did.

[THE_BEYONDER]

On 7/24/2022 at 5:23 PM, divad said:

This not a great example. The tatooz insert in the ASM 238 and the FF252 are not bound in by the staple.

I was pointing out the tattooz 

 

The envelope usually remains.

[divad]

Personally, I think CGC should do away with any "missing" stigma for items/extras that were meant by the publisher to be removed unless it destroys the integrity of the comic book, e,g. cut-out Marvel Value Stamps or "in-page" coupons. IMHO, the other items are superfluous to value.

[Randall Dowling]

On 7/24/2022 at 7:09 PM, divad said:

Personally, I think CGC should do away with any "missing" stigma for items/extras that were meant by the publisher to be removed unless it destroys the integrity of the comic book, e,g. cut-out Marvel Value Stamps or "in-page" coupons. IMHO, the other items are superfluous to value.

Like plastic bags that comics came in.  

[ganni]

Here must be is a miss-cut tattooz sample

Wonder how will it be graded? variant?

 

 

[Lazyboy]

On 7/24/2022 at 4:23 PM, divad said:

This not a great example. The tatooz insert in the ASM 238 and the FF252 are not bound in by the staple.

Sure they are. Or at least were meant to be, but the realities of mass production means not all were. The same is true of many other inserts over the years.

[divad]

On 7/24/2022 at 6:59 PM, Lazyboy said:

Sure they are. Or at least were meant to be, but the realities of mass production means not all were. The same is true of many other inserts over the years.

I guess the 5 or 6 copies of each I had were "outliers" (just like my high sales prices)

[divad]

On 7/24/2022 at 5:40 PM, Randall Dowling said:

On 7/24/2022 at 5:09 PM, divad said:

Personally, I think CGC should do away with any "missing" stigma for items/extras that were meant by the publisher to be removed unless it destroys the integrity of the comic book, e,g. cut-out Marvel Value Stamps or "in-page" coupons. IMHO, the other items are superfluous to value.

Like plastic bags that comics came in.  

Precisely!

[divad]

Can you imagine getting a Green Label with the notation "plastic bag removed"