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3rd Party Press/Clean Submission to CBCS/CGC/PGX
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On 7/28/2022 at 2:23 PM, Splonk said:
On 7/28/2022 at 1:28 PM, Upgrayedd2 said:

Several big name Press/Clean businesses offer direct submission(s) to CBCS/CGC/PGX.

Do the grading companies know the comics are coming from the Press/Clean business or does it appear to come from the owner (me)?

It doesn't matter either way 

and what if they did know?  If you think CGC mailroom employees who are opening thousands of packages a day are trying figure out if your book came from a non-cgc presser AND are somehow going out of their way to make something bad happen to your book as a result, when their job very literally depends on their ability too carefully handle comic books, CGC probably isn't for you.

Unless you think there's some larger company-wide bias at work, and they are actually PAYING THEIR MAILROOM EMPLOYEES TO PURPOSEFULLY TRACK which book come from non-cgc pressers, and then have some sort of company policy in place to treat those books worse.  

 

Which is not to say there isn't some potential from conflict of interest since they have in-house pressing, BUT WOULDN"T IT BE A MILLION TIMES EASIER TO TRACK WHICH BOOKS WERE PRESSED BY CCS?

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On 7/28/2022 at 3:28 PM, Upgrayedd2 said:

Several big name Press/Clean businesses offer direct submission(s) to CBCS/CGC/PGX.

Do the grading companies know the comics are coming from the Press/Clean business or does it appear to come from the owner (me)?

I guess if they bothered to read the return addresses, but I'm pretty sure it's throw, catch, and slice (repeat). Is there a different question you're trying to ask perhaps?

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On 7/28/2022 at 2:21 PM, KirbyTown said:

I guess if they bothered to read the return addresses, but I'm pretty sure it's throw, catch, and slice (repeat). Is there a different question you're trying to ask perhaps?

KirbyTown,

I don't have enough data points, but I'm reading/hearing several examples of crack/clean-press/resubmit not leading to grade bumps. It's difficult to identify when the focus is on the comics that jumped 1, 2 or even more grades. Kind of like casinos; highlight the winners. Too many factors involved: magical appearance of finger bends, rookie clean-pressers, pressing a comic with color-breaking creases, competition for grading companies that offer the same service, different graders and...my speculation: if the grading company knows the comics are coming from a clean-press company.

Still too early and, as I said at the top, too few data points.

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On 7/28/2022 at 9:53 PM, Upgrayedd2 said:

KirbyTown,

I don't have enough data points, but I'm reading/hearing several examples of crack/clean-press/resubmit not leading to grade bumps. It's difficult to identify when the focus is on the comics that jumped 1, 2 or even more grades. Kind of like casinos; highlight the winners. Too many factors involved: magical appearance of finger bends, rookie clean-pressers, pressing a comic with color-breaking creases, competition for grading companies that offer the same service, different graders and...my speculation: if the grading company knows the comics are coming from a clean-press company.

Still too early and, as I said at the top, too few data points.

Oh, come on with the conspiracy theories. It's because people who don't know what they're doing just press everything thinking that it's going to be a magical grade-booster. That's not how pressing works. doh!

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Graders know nothing about the particulars of a submission. They are given books to grade. They don't know who sent them in. They don't know if they were previously graded. This is so there is no bias. 

This must be true, or they would never note pressing related defects on books that came through CCS. Or give higher grades to books previously graded by PGX. They just grade the book in front of them. 

Receiving of course would see who shipped the books. Managers and customer service types can look up and see what was in a submission. But graders have no such information.   Graders would - as others have noted - be aware of defects that were likely caused by pressing. But even then they only describe the defect. Graders notes never say "louse pressing job caused xxx defect". 

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On 7/28/2022 at 6:53 PM, Upgrayedd2 said:

I don't have enough data points, but I'm reading/hearing several examples of crack/clean-press/resubmit not leading to grade bumps.

This does not surprise me one bit, considering how many inexperienced/ill-informed noobs (and nobs) are now operating in this space.  There are a whole lot of books being cleaned/pressed that will not benefit, grade-wise, from a cleaning/pressing (and there are a whole lot of clowns offering services they're not qualified to offer).

I purchased my first comics off the spinner rack in the 1950s.  Way less than 5% of the comics I've handled had grade-bump potential.  Be judicious/selective about the choices you make.  :preach:

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